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Kawhi's shot was never as broken as Roberson's. Unless you think Chip is some kind of miracle worker I can't see how can you expect that abortion, that is Roberson's shooting form, to ever produce above average results.
If salary wasn't an issue...... I could trot that line up out there too! Bertans will be better this year; I love this kids fire!!
Kawhi's shot was never as broken as Roberson's. Unless you think Chip is some kind of miracle worker I can't see how can you expect that abortion, that is Roberson's shooting form, to ever produce above average results.
Correct. Aldridge is Richard Jefferson but worse. He is soft and doesn't care. We won't win anything with him.Kawhi's obviously a great base(only Cleveland has a piece as good as him against GS) but I don't know how anybody could feel comfortable with Aldridge being one of the stars on the team..maybe if he played against Ryan Anderson every game
He may have a worth ethic that fosters improvement under the right tutelage... Like I said with his ability to wear down opposing offensive players; I could take a flyer on this cat.
I agree Danny Green is no longer a starting caliber player and we need to move on asap after his consistently play for the last 3 years but Roberson isn't the answer. No more offensive liabilities Stars can hide and rest on....
Green in the WCF:
31.6 3P%, 90 ORtg, 123 DRtg, -40 +/-, 4th in MPG but 9th on PPG...
Green will be neutered against any good defensive team as evident in the Memphis and GS series. Take in the fact that he'll be 30 next season with his jumper regressing even more...
Bradley,
Robertson,
I can respect that assessment.I agree Danny Green is no longer a starting caliber player and we need to move on asap after his consistently play for the last 3 years but Roberson isn't the answer. No more offensive liabilities Stars can hide and rest on....
Green in the WCF:
31.6 3P%, 90 ORtg, 123 DRtg, -40 +/-, 4th in MPG but 9th on PPG...
Green will be neutered against any good defensive team as evident in the Memphis and GS series. Take in the fact that he'll be 30 next season with his jumper regressing even more...
Bradley,
Robertson,
It's obvious a lot of posters on this site have NEVER shot a basketball or are so poor at shooting, they have no idea that it's not that easy to fix a poor, broken shot even with a great shooting coach.
People need to stop talking about Chip as someone that can fix anyone's shot. He's most effective at helping people/players that already have a decent shot, or helping someone that just needs a tweak or two to their shot. Kawhi only worked him for a day or two before the lockout and then Kawhi put in the rest of the work himself during the summer. Kawhi just needed some minor tweak/s to his shot. It seems like Kawhi also had a feel for shooting the ball, so Chip was able to help him hone his shooting by making a tweak or two.
If you want to actually fix a completely broken shot, you need to do it when the kid is in school and/or a lot younger. If you come to the NBA with a completely broken shot, IMO, it's too late to fix it. Not even the greatest shooting coaches are going to magically fix broken shots when a player is older, as bad habits were already formed and that player most likely never had a feel for shooting the ball in the first place (what do I mean by feel for shooting the ball? Take a look at someone like Reggie Miller, who had a bit of an unorthodox shooting form, but still swished/hit a lot of shots - that's someone that has a feel for shooting the ball). Only a very small percentage of players (less than 10%) can/will fix broken jump shots in the NBA/pros to become a great shooter.
Ha, the same Andre Roberson who shoots FT's almost as effectively as Andre Drummond?
You shouldn't assume my athletic abilities sir; I'm not here to brag or belittle. Secondly, Are you a pro shooting coach? Common sense would lead any us to believe it is far more likely he will never be able to fix his shot based off the law of averages hence I stated because of his elite defensive prowess I'd be willing to take that chance on him......
See Jason Kidd if you don't think a bad shooter can improve.....
Again, Kidd didn't have a deformed looking shoot like Roberson has.
He absolutely kills OKC's spacing. He's such an awful shooter that defenses play about 6 feet off of him and dare him to shoot. Kills Westbrook.Andre Roberson is the worst offensive player in the NBA
I wasn't having a go at you in particular. I saw Chip and fix his shot written in one of the posts in this thread, so I decided to use this thread to say what I think about most posters here that keep thinking Chip can fix anyone's shot. When Chip first started working with TP, I recall them saying he's going to cut out three pointers for a while and then a few years later add that to his game (that would make it around 2009, 2010). Anyway, 6 years after he was supposed to have added that shot to his game, it still hasn't happened.
I actually wanted TP to add the three pointer to his game years ago (I didn't like that he shelved it after he started working with Chip), and IMO if he did add it around 2010 like he was supposed to, I think it would have really elevated his game. He would have been tougher to guard as the defender would have had to watch for the three point shot and also defend against the drive. It could/would have also caused less wear and tear on his body and taken his game to another level. I still to this day don't know why he didn't add it to his game as I thought he was a decent shooter in the small sample size of him taking those shots.
Some people can improve their shot. Jason Kidd is the perfect example of it. He was a very, very average to poor shooter at the start of his career, but he became a really good three point shooter by the end of it. I didn't follow him that closely, but I was always impressed with how much he improved his shot. Did it start happening when he went back to Dallas, or was it towards the end of his time in New Jersey? Any idea when he made the leap? I always thought he might of worked/learned a bit with Dirk and his shooting coach after going back to Dallas.
Again, my point is that most people don't improve like Jason Kidd did. So many posters around here think Chip can fix almost anyone's shot. People need to realize that it doesn't happen too often and take that into consideration when they're suggesting the Spurs pick up a player that can't shoot for .
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He can't stand Green or Anderson and says they don't compete but then wants Roberson. Granted he's a terrific defensive player but he ha no offense to work with. One of those guys that Atl Spur will be ready to hate on once he's in the team...
What the Spurs need to keep up with GS is shooters, they have the defensive system and discipline to slow them a bit on O, but they need to be able to hold their own on the other end by shooting and making 3's at a high clip. They aren't beating the Warriors by shooting mid range jumpers, no matter how good their defense is, (which is pretty good, tbh, and the only one I've seen, all season long, able to take the Warriors out of their comfort zone for a bit).
also their definition of roleplayers when you ask what they want those guys to be able to do (like say from a draft pick) is the definition of an all NBA wing player for example.
some are in denial. Not the old guys though... those don't expect a championship once Timmy retired. It took me a couple of games into the season to see why Pau wasn't going to cut it bc Timmy was so much better at rim protection it wasn't even fair in comparison.
Obvious case of the grass is greener on the other side.Ha, the same Andre Roberson who shoots FT's almost as effectively as Andre Drummond?
You like Kyle... I get it! I don't like dudes who don't compete period. Skill sets vary but the ability to bring it night in night out must be there. Kyle and Danny don't bring it.... they are merely pretending out there.
Guys, guys...C'mon. LMAO
Hilarious thread
It's called controlling the pace and that's how you beat the Warriors. It's what the Spurs were doing before Kawhi went down in game 1. The reason it's so hard to do is you need players that can create their own shot and/or get fouled or make a play. Without Kawhi the Spurs didn't have that and they were forced to play at the Warriors pace which is a losing effort.
Warriors are ruining basketball. I just witness 5 straight plays of pull up threes.
Roberson
Bruce was never that bad tbh. And Robertson is no Bowen defensively, anyways.
it's a sad state for the league - 3pt shots as fun as they are isn't real basketball. Not sure how long you can watch that for and not get bored unless you are GS fan
Makes you wonder what would have happened if Kawhi hadn't gotten hurt by Zaza. The only team that actually took it to GS, even without Parker
Lebron is doing the conference at KD's house tonight - sending reporters there
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