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    how cute you've joined the rest of the Dem phobes on this site.

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    There are plenty more statutes that can be used beyond this.

    A quick glance at this tells me that its a better fit: 18 USC 1505

    "Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—"

    There's a ton of case law construing each of these statutes. An off-the-cuff legal opinion ain't worth much
    But what part of "I hope" would fall under any of what you just quoted?

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    Look at this cuck parsing words now.

    But my lord said he "hoped." That clearly clears him. got.

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    But what part of "I hope" would fall under any of what you just quoted?
    the real question is why 4chan didn't investigate and report on the existence of the memos before the fake news WaPo and NYT confirmed it?

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    But what part of "I hope" would fall under any of what you just quoted?
    Cherry picking singular statements also ain't worth much. The whole interaction between Comey and Trump should, imo, be considered in determining whether there's a criminal offense under the statute.

    Why are you semen-shielding for trump anyway?

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    Cherry picking singular statements also ain't worth much. The whole interaction between Comey and Trump should, imo, be considered in determining whether there's a criminal offense under the statute.

    Why are you semen-shielding for trump anyway?
    he's not a trump supporter, but

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    he's not a trump supporter, but
    Ksich

    It's the flip side of RG's arm-chair dementia diagnosis. For all the critical thinking or refusal to toe party lines, there's an awful lot of group think going on.

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    Ksich

    It's the flip side of RG's arm-chair dementia diagnosis. For all the critical thinking or refusal to toe party lines, there's an awful lot of group think going on.
    certainly more entertaining to be here than studying mortgages tho

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    Running joke from another thread old man. Relax and enjoy an Ensure.
    if I'm an old man I think you might already be dead...

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    any "judge" worth a would, taking the entire situation, rather than two ing words, would KNOW that Trash was TELLING Comey to bug off the Russian stuff.

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    certainly more entertaining to be here than studying mortgages tho
    That blows. I bet the real property system in CA is beyond ed

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    Thats gonna be a tough one to prove.
    I think the Pres has to actually put it all together, drop it or I will fire you. Think it has to be really blatant. But it still leaves little doubt we have a underhanded quack as president. The Republicans will turn on him eventually. Sessions even has seen the displays of incompetence.
    "Drop it or I will fire you" is a ridiculous standard...

    Let's look at the fact pattern here as it seems to be reported:
    • Trump, the man who can fire Comey, clears everyone out of the room and tells Comey "I hope you can let this go". The message is clear... He better let it go.
    • Comey doesn't "let it go". Comey begins or plans to increase resources dedicated to the Russia investigation.
    • Trump then abruptly fires Comey and says the Russia investigation was a consideration when he fired Comey.

    So...just because he uses the word "hope" and doesn't explicitly say "or you're fired" after this de facto request, that exonerates him? In effect, it's the same thing. You can't let that go or you just give every clown a playbook on how to obstruct an investigation without paying any price.

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    That blows. I bet the real property system in CA is beyond ed
    they basically just test common/federal law... but CA also has to deal with community property

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    they basically just test common/federal law... but CA also has to deal with community property
    Are you serious?

    When I took the TX bar exam, one of our essays was a TX-specific real property one dealing with the recording system, foreclosures, etc... and some craziness about the way we license real estate brokers. It was a ing mess.

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    Are you serious?

    When I took the TX bar exam, one of our essays was a TX-specific real property one dealing with the recording system, foreclosures, etc... and some craziness about the way we license real estate brokers. It was a ing mess.
    damn. when it comes to property, the only CA specific stuff they really go in depth on would be community property (also wills and trusts). plus CA just changed to a 2-day bar, so the mbe is now 50%, whereas before it was only 35%, so there's a much heavier emphasis on federal/common law now

    thread getting OT...

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    "Drop it or I will fire you" is a ridiculous standard...

    Let's look at the fact pattern here as it seems to be reported:

    Trump, the man who can fire Comey, clears everyone out of the room and tells Comey "I hope you can let this go". The message is clear... He better let it go.

    Comey doesn't "let it go". Comey begins or plans to increase resources dedicated to the Russia investigation.

    Trump then abruptly fires Comey and says the Russia investigation was a consideration when he fired Comey.

    So, just because he uses the word "hope" and doesn't explicitly say "or you're fired" after this de facto request, that exonerates him? In effect, it's the same thing. You can't let that go or just to give every clown a playbook on how to obstruct an investigation without paying any price.
    Yeah.

    Well this is basically what a lawyer said on NPR. He used an example of a federal judge who basically did just this and it was still tough to get rid of him. It's even a higher standard for the president he went on to say. I'm not a lawyer but the ones who have been talking about this said just what you stated, it's a ridiculously high standard. They said it's usually the coverups and perjury that would be much easier to prosecute and provide the axe.

    Take it for what it's worth. I've read it and heard it.

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    To me, a big issue is that Comey had two interactions with Obama in 3 years - one of which was purely personal. None of those interactions involved communications directly dealing with an ongoing investigation.

    Trump had 4-5 interactions with Commey in 3-4 months about the FBI's investigation into Flynn.

    I don't know if its a criminal or impeachable offense. But the optics of this sure look bad for the president.

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    damn. when it comes to property, the only CA specific stuff they really go in depth on would be community property (also wills and trusts). plus CA just changed to a 2-day bar, so the mbe is now 50%, whereas before it was only 35%, so there's a much heavier emphasis on federal/common law now

    thread getting OT...
    I thought the CA was supposed to be the toughest bar exam? I passed the NY bar too -- that one was a ing nightmare. They stacked the topics into the questions, so you'd have a civil procedure, contracts, real property, tort, other topic issue(s) all within the same essay.

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    if I'm an old man I think you might already be dead...
    I guarantee I'm younger than you.

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    damn. when it comes to property, the only CA specific stuff they really go in depth on would be community property (also wills and trusts). plus CA just changed to a 2-day bar, so the mbe is now 50%, whereas before it was only 35%, so there's a much heavier emphasis on federal/common law now

    thread getting OT...
    God you poor soul.
    Seriously having to study boring stuff...

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    I thought the CA was supposed to be the toughest bar exam? I passed the NY bar too -- that one was a ing nightmare. They stacked the topics into the questions, so you'd have a civil procedure, contracts, real property, tort, other topic issue(s) all within the same essay.
    lowest pass rate of all states... so yeah

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    Cherry picking singular statements also ain't worth much. The whole interaction between Comey and Trump should, imo, be considered in determining whether there's a criminal offense under the statute.

    Why are you semen-shielding for trump anyway?
    At no point does Comey say he was pressured in any way.

    "Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—"

    What part of the interaction would apply to your above quote?

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    Yeah.

    Well this is basically what a lawyer said on NPR. He used an example of a federal judge who basically did just this and it was still tough to get rid of him. It's even a higher standard for the president he went on to say. I'm not a lawyer but the ones who have been talking about this said just what you stated, it's a ridiculously high standard. They said it's usually the coverups and perjury that would be much easier to prosecute and provide the axe.

    Take it for what it's worth. I've read it and heard it.
    That may or may not be the criminal standard, but I've heard the standard for impeachment is much less straightforward and may not be very high at all (unless the GOP is still firmly on his side and just doesn't care enough to vote guilty for whatever reason).

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    I guarantee I'm younger than you.
    Are you a young neck beard? You can't be, you get outside.
    Before, you stated I was twice as old as you. Remember my reply... and then math.

    How old are you?

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    At no point does Comey say he was pressured in any way.

    "Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—"

    What part of the interaction would apply to your above quote?
    force/threat of force is not required. thats why that clause begins with the word "or"

    could also be argued there was threatening communication. asking "do you want to stay on as director" followed by "i want you to drop it'

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