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    any "judge" worth a would, taking the entire situation, rather than two ing words, would KNOW that Trash was TELLING Comey to bug off the Russian stuff.
    Strange that Comey said the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

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    Are you a young neck beard? You can't be, you get outside.
    Before, you stated I was twice as old as you. Remember my reply... and then math.

    How old are you?
    I grow a mean beard but am a clean shaven 35 years old these days. You?

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    That may or may not be the criminal standard, but I've heard the standard for impeachment is much less straightforward and may not be very high at all (unless the GOP is still firmly on his side and just doesn't care enough to vote guilty for whatever reason).
    Impeachment is relatively easy and political. Prosecuting for a crime is much tougher. So I've read and heard.

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    I grow a mean beard but am a clean shaven 35 years old these days. You?
    You inched me out.

    Dammit.

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    Impeachment is relatively easy and political. Prosecuting for a crime is much tougher. So I've read and heard.
    If there is an impeachment, sadly it may just come down to politics in which case he may not be found guilty and could possibly be emboldened some how.

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    At no point does Comey say he was pressured in any way.

    "Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—"

    What part of the interaction would apply to your above quote?
    Where are you getting pressure from? That's not in the statute's text.

    It seems like there's a possible fact question regarding a possible "threatening communication" (i.e., Trump's threats on Comey's job) which either impeded or attempted to impede (the statute's "endeavors to" language) the FBI Flynn investigation (which might be a "proceeding" or the "due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry").

    I think there is, at the very least, a suggestion by Comey that Trump threatened his job should the Flynn investigation continue. To me, that seems like a threatening communication that (attempted to) impede(s) an FBI investigation. But I haven't read the associated case law, so what the do I know.

    Again, why are you semen-shielding for Trump. Do you think this is all some smear campaign wrought by Fake News!?

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    You inched me out.

    Dammit.
    I always figured you to be much older due to your lame joke (IMO, and no offense just personal taste) attempts

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    Where are you getting pressure from? That's not in the statute's text.

    It seems like there's a possible fact question regarding a possible "threatening communication" (i.e., Trump's threats on Comey's job) which either impeded or attempted to impede (the statute's "endeavors to" language) the FBI Flynn investigation (which might be a "proceeding" or the "due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry").

    I think there is, at the very least, a suggestion by Comey that Trump threatened his job should the Flynn investigation continue. To me, that seems like a threatening communication that (attempted to) impede(s) an FBI investigation. But I haven't read the associated case law, so what the do I know.

    Again, why are you semen-shielding for Trump. Do you think this is all some smear campaign wrought by Fake News!?
    I think the whole Russian collusion story is a total smear campaign started by the DNC (Podesta and Mook) and have shown what I believe is to be pretty convincing evidence to back my case.

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    I grow a mean beard but am a clean shaven 35 years old these days. You?
    35?


    Damn kids

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    I always figured you to be much older due to your lame joke (IMO, and no offense just personal taste) attempts
    I like old movies. Old comedies.

    And I am more than willing to attempt awful jokes.
    other people figure my jokes are completely juvenile which means I have succeeded.

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    I think the whole Russian collusion story is a total smear campaign started by the DNC (Podesta and Mook) and have shown what I believe is to be pretty convincing evidence to back my case.
    Be that as it may, this isn't the Russian collusion story. This is the Trump firing Comey for conducting a criminal investigation story. You might think the whole Russian interference narrative is bunk, but do you think that a President should be able to fire law enforcement for conducting a criminal investigation he doesn't agree with?

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    Comey will be happy as a clam in the middle of the grandstanding show tomorrow.

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    Be that as it may, this isn't the Russian collusion story. This is the Trump firing Comey for conducting a criminal investigation story. You might think the whole Russian interference narrative is bunk, but do you think that a President should be able to fire law enforcement for conducting a criminal investigation he doesn't agree with?

    I know you weren't asking me, but I don't think he was fired because of Flynn investigation. It seems to me that Trump was more pissed that Comey wouldn't publicly clear him (Trump). Obviously, I have know way of knowing.

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    I always figured you to be much older due to your lame joke (IMO, and no offense just personal taste) attempts
    You're one wierd .

    What does age have to do with jokes being funny or not.

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    Be that as it may, this isn't the Russian collusion story. This is the Trump firing Comey for conducting a criminal investigation story. You might think the whole Russian interference narrative is bunk, but do you think that a President should be able to fire law enforcement for conducting a criminal investigation he doesn't agree with?
    No I don't think the President should be able to fire law enforcement for conducting a criminal investigation he doesn't agree with and if that is what you think happened proving that will be extremely difficult considering all the public ups Comey had on his record leading up to his firing.

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    But I listen intensely to older folks. I'm very Asian in that respect. People who have lived it know. You just have to find the proper mentors IMO. And I am surrounded by older smarter people. Also Relatives who have done and been to a lot of places and will even take me with them. And I read incessantly.

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    Be that as it may, this isn't the Russian collusion story. This is the Trump firing Comey for conducting a criminal investigation story. You might think the whole Russian interference narrative is bunk, but do you think that a President should be able to fire law enforcement for conducting a criminal investigation he doesn't agree with?
    Things get really messy here because Flynn worked on the campaign, has links to Russia and could link Trump to possible misconduct (criminal or not).

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    You're one wierd .

    What does age have to do with jokes being funny or not.
    its because he's on the job.

    right now his allegiance is with dennis miller.

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    I know you weren't asking me, but I don't think he was fired because of Flynn investigation. It seems to me that Trump was more pissed that Comey wouldn't publicly clear him (Trump). Obviously, I have know way of knowing.
    It's all speculation now -- and likely will be since Trump will likely never explain why -- but the simplest narrative is: Trump repeatedly asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation, Comey refusing, and Trump firing Comey. Occam's Razor.

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    didnt trump also say he was going to fire comey anyway because of "the russia thing"

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    No I don't think the President should be able to fire law enforcement for conducting a criminal investigation he doesn't agree with and if that is what you think happened proving that will be extremely difficult considering all the public ups Comey had on his record leading up to his firing.
    Trump repeatedly asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation, Comey refusing, and Trump firing Comey seems to you to mean that Trump fired Comey for other ups? How does that make sense?

    More to the point: the president fired an FBI chief who was heading an investigation the president did not want to progress. This would be a different situation if the Flynn investigation closed -- then Comey got fired. The optics of this situation don't line up with the idea that Comey got fired for other "public ups"

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    Trump repeatedly asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation, Comey refusing, and Trump firing Comey seems to you to mean that Trump fired Comey for other ups? How does that make sense?

    More to the point: the president fired an FBI chief who was heading an investigation the president did not want to progress. This would be a different situation if the Flynn investigation closed -- then Comey got fired. The optics of this situation don't line up with the idea that Comey got fired for other "public ups"
    I said proving that he was fired for that will be extremely difficult considering Comey's other ups, which were given in a statement when he was fired.

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    It's all speculation now -- and likely will be since Trump will likely never explain why -- but the simplest narrative is: Trump repeatedly asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation, Comey refusing, and Trump firing Comey. Occam's Razor.
    And this will not go over well within Trumps own party. It's like he just thrives on conflict. Trump is now after Sessions supposedly for recusing himself. Wtf...

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    It's all speculation now -- and likely will be since Trump will likely never explain why -- but the simplest narrative is: Trump repeatedly asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation, Comey refusing, and Trump firing Comey. Occam's Razor.
    My guess is based on the chronology of Comey's communications with POTUS, where he brought up "the cloud" twice in close proximity to his firing. Flynn was brought up once, and early on.

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    Trump repeatedly asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation, Comey refusing, and Trump firing Comey seems to you to mean that Trump fired Comey for other ups? How does that make sense?

    More to the point: the president fired an FBI chief who was heading an investigation the president did not want to progress. This would be a different situation if the Flynn investigation closed -- then Comey got fired. The optics of this situation don't line up with the idea that Comey got fired for other "public ups"
    Specially so when that other "excuse" was because he was too mean to Hillary when he went out and didn't indict but was very harsh to her.

    Please..

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