That Spain Squad won the WC without him.columbia no, they are just too disorganized to contend for anything with or without messi.
mexico not sure, would need to see it to believe it.
chile yes, messi would fit in perfectly there
also uruguay.
italy with messi would be amazing
as would england tbh.
poland/croatia with messi would be a clear cut tier 1.
out of all contenders you put messi on spain and it's just game ing over for everybody else tbh, just a perfect fit. Imagine that 2010 spain squad with messi
He probably would have ruined the chemistry,.
"Ruin chemistry".If Spain had Messi in 2010 they could have just played the entire midfield and attacking line of Barcelona and instead of being the champion with the least amount of goals scored they would have owned everybody by the tune of 4-0 victories. They would have also won one or two more WC's.
Yeah the guy that didnt win a cup with USA as a semifinalist would have carried Spain into two world cups."Ruin chemistry".
Does your Jessi delusion ever stop?
son I keep telling myself that if messi played for spain we would've seen the most dominant team in the history of football, club or country. '10 spain with messi >> any barca and any real in memory, it's like the best of all worlds, the attacking and creativity of the best barca core with the aggressiveness and physicality of real. Creativity (messi-xavi-iniesta), excellent wing play (navas, silva, mata), a wide selection of world class midfielders (bisquits - fabregas - xabi alonso), rock hard defense able to play the passing game and also dangerous at set pieces (pique - puyol - ramos), excellent goalkeepers (casillas, valdes, reina) and good enough finishing clinical finishers (villa, pedro, messi)."Ruin chemistry".
science fiction tbh, a true perfect team, if any team both would maximally benefit from messi and protect all his flaws the '10 spain would be THAT squad, you're 100% right about the 4-0 scorelines, there'd be "hide your kids hide your wife" type of beatings you'd tell your grandkids about
If Messi played for Spain, they wouldn't have won
son not only would they win the rings, they'd do it setting records tbh ... france and germany wouldn't even sniff them rings tbh.
I didn't consider any of the European nations or Uruguay (cause I can't stand Uruguaycolumbia no, they are just too disorganized to contend for anything with or without messi.
mexico not sure, would need to see it to believe it.
chile yes, messi would fit in perfectly there
also uruguay.
italy with messi would be amazing
as would england tbh.
poland/croatia with messi would be a clear cut tier 1.
out of all contenders you put messi on spain and it's just game ing over for everybody else tbh, just a perfect fit. Imagine that 2010 spain squad with messi
oh pipe down...
The exercise is obviously highly subjective and speculative... it's neat in the sense of highlighting how badly the cohesion of Argentina's current talent pool has hurt Messi's rep - the cohesion and functionality simply isn't there.
The second part of the exercise clearly reveals where Messi would have fundamentally benefited other nations.
not sure what you are smoking but I want some
2006: that's his first year as ular in the A team or something. You are telling me that 19 y/o Messi would have won against Peak Zidane team and dat Italy ?
2010: Spain wins w/o him + the euro before and after...
2014: Spain played like with aging core. In what universe he would have carried dat team to a ring ? scoring 6 times against Holland and 3 against Chile ? smh
so yeahat the
they would wone one or two more
son nobody in their right mind would discuss '06, that was a LOADED compe ion and even missi + spain wouldn't be clear cut winners. I wasn't even considering that tbh.not sure what you are smoking but I want some
2006: that's his first year as ular in the A team or something. You are telling me that 19 y/o Messi would have won against Peak Zidane team and dat Italy ?
2010: Spain wins w/o him + the euro before and after...
2014: Spain played like with aging core. In what universe he would have carried dat team to a ring ? scoring 6 times against Holland and 3 against Chile ? smh
so yeah
What I'm saying is that:
1) spain already has '08-'10-'12
2) '14 would've been winnable if del bosque didn't melt down after one loss in the confederations cup and went for a pivot like costa who didn't fit at all in that team and who killed their chemistry, tactics and long term strategy ... '14 was a huge blunder and it was ALL on del bosque for implementing a disfunctional system which didn't take into account spain's strengths. Just look at the games, they played a good amount of kick and run
You think they panic in '14 and play kick and run with messi?
3) With messi they also get '16, they beat croatia and they go in the easy bracket and they slap france in the final.
4) And in '18 they might be old but they're still THE top contenders. Also look at our era, except spain we didn't get monster teams (the caliber of zidane france, italy '06, brasil '02) in over a decade, which a clear staple of Germany winning the world cup, otherwise we just lack the talent to go against the GOAT squads. Who would stop a GOAT squad these days? answer: nobody. Also I speak from national experience ('02,' 06, '08, '10) when I say that playing against a GOAT squad makes you nervous and error prone, so a GOAT squad has this advantage too.
Realistically speaking it is all very reasonable to say they'd win all of 08-18 tbh.
so yeah saying 2 more WCs is just stupid and one more is based on bunch of if if if and almost as stupid... fact is Spain 2014 was indeed dysfunctional, dudes were partying like crazy during confed cup in Brazil which lead Brazil to believe they were a top notch team when in fact they played against a bunch of dudes on hang over mode... Messi the semi autist dude would have changed 2014 Spain work ethic ? gtfoh tbh Spain got streamrolled by an average Netherlands and a solid but not elite Chile but yeah they would have won against Brazil, Germany or even against France, Argentina ? You would have a case if Spain was semi decent in 2014, they were just atrocious. Del Bosque did not meltdown beacuse of confederations cup bro he was aware his players just had enough and were totally desinterested by this compe ion like everybody except Brazilian turds...son nobody in their right mind would discuss '06, that was a LOADED compe ion and even missi + spain wouldn't be clear cut winners. I wasn't even considering that tbh.
What I'm saying is that:
1) spain already has '08-'10-'12
2) '14 would've been winnable if del bosque didn't melt down after one loss in the confederations cup and went for a pivot like costa who didn't fit at all in that team and who killed their chemistry, tactics and long term strategy ... '14 was a huge blunder and it was ALL on del bosque for implementing a disfunctional system which didn't take into account spain's strengths. Just look at the games, they played a good amount of kick and run
You think they panic in '14 and play kick and run with messi?
3) With messi they also get '16, they beat croatia and they go in the easy bracket and they slap france in the final.
4) And in '18 they might be old but they're still THE top contenders. Also look at our era, except spain we didn't get monster teams (the caliber of zidane france, italy '06, brasil '02) in over a decade, which a clear staple of Germany winning the world cup, otherwise we just lack the talent to go against the GOAT squads. Who would stop a GOAT squad these days? answer: nobody. Also I speak from national experience ('02,' 06, '08, '10) when I say that playing against a GOAT squad makes you nervous and error prone, so a GOAT squad has this advantage too.
Realistically speaking it is all very reasonable to say they'd win all of 08-18 tbh.
Hilarious btw to go from 2 more WCs to well not two but one maybe and a bunch of more euros...
Messi could not carry 2014 Argentina but would have carried Spain... oh boy
Spain would have lost if they had MissiHilarious btw to go from 2 more WCs to well not two but one maybe and a bunch of more euros...
Messi could not carry 2014 Argentina but would have carried Spain... oh boy
Spain could have easily won in 2006 with Messi. There was no true candidate in '06, proven by the fact that Italy, a team that few had winning the WC at the beginning of the tournament, won the whole damn thing.
2006 Spain already had it's stacked tiky taka generation, all they lacked was a player with the style of Messi, even the 2006 not finished product Messi.
And in 2014 they would have been the prohibited favourite. There's no way Messi would have been elimanted on the group stage in 2014 and, once in the knock out stage, good luck trying to eliminate Spain.
Iniesta, Pique, Ramos, Busquets, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Silva, Torres, Casillas, and many more of that Spain roster in '14 went on to keep winning Champions Leagues, or make deep runs, after that WC.
sonSpain could have easily won in 2006 with Messi. There was no true candidate in '06, proven by the fact that Italy, a team that few had winning the WC at the beginning of the tournament, won the whole damn thing.
2006 Spain already had it's stacked tiky taka generation, all they lacked was a player with the style of Messi, even the 2006 not finished product Messi.
And in 2014 they would have been the prohibited favourite. There's no way Messi would have been elimanted on the group stage in 2014 and, once in the knock out stage, good luck trying to eliminate Spain.
Iniesta, Pique, Ramos, Busquets, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Silva, Torres, Casillas, and many more of that Spain roster in '14 went on to keep winning Champions Leagues, or make deep runs, after that WC.
here is their mother ing roster tbh:
buffon - peak GOAT goalkeeper
cannavaro - GOAT defender, 32 just out of prime
nesta - GOAT defender, 30 in his prime
zambrotta - top 5 LB/RB in his prime
grosso - quality LB/RB
luca toni - UCL winner squad level striker at his peak
totti - historically good talent at his peak
del piero - historically good talent at his peak
inzaghi - historically good talent past peak
camoranesi - top winger
pirlo - GOAT midfielder
gattuso - historically good holding midfielder
and a slew of other quality role players. Don't mistake the negative calciopoli hype for reality tbh, it actually hardened the team, the majority of them were in their peak/prime and all knew that this was their one big chance to have a great world cup. I remember to this day that all the talk shows before the WC talked about how the italian NT would fail and so on and all the real knowledgeable people (beckenbauer, good broadcasters and analysts) were saying wake up, they're real contenders. When we got them in the SF we had a lot of hype in the media but many people who understood the game knew that we had a 25% chance to advance against that squad.
Spain with messi would still be inexperienced and untested in 06, and talent alone is not enough against squads like '06 france or '06 italy, so no, they would have a low % to win in 06.
Messi was like 17-18 in 06..son
here is their mother ing roster tbh:
buffon - peak GOAT goalkeeper
cannavaro - GOAT defender, 32 just out of prime
nesta - GOAT defender, 30 in his prime
zambrotta - top 5 LB/RB in his prime
grosso - quality LB/RB
luca toni - UCL winner squad level striker at his peak
totti - historically good talent at his peak
del piero - historically good talent at his peak
inzaghi - historically good talent past peak
camoranesi - top winger
pirlo - GOAT midfielder
gattuso - historically good holding midfielder
and a slew of other quality role players. Don't mistake the negative calciopoli hype for reality tbh, it actually hardened the team, the majority of them were in their peak/prime and all knew that this was their one big chance to have a great world cup. I remember to this day that all the talk shows before the WC talked about how the italian NT would fail and so on and all the real knowledgeable people (beckenbauer, good broadcasters and analysts) were saying wake up, they're real contenders. When we got them in the SF we had a lot of hype in the media but many people who understood the game knew that we had a 25% chance to advance against that squad.
Spain with messi would still be inexperienced and untested in 06, and talent alone is not enough against squads like '06 france or '06 italy, so no, they would have a low % to win in 06.
I think DAF is drunk.
so many fails in this postSpain could have easily won in 2006 with Messi. There was no true candidate in '06, proven by the fact that Italy, a team that few had winning the WC at the beginning of the tournament, won the whole damn thing.
2006 Spain already had it's stacked tiky taka generation, all they lacked was a player with the style of Messi, even the 2006 not finished product Messi.
And in 2014 they would have been the prohibited favourite. There's no way Messi would have been elimanted on the group stage in 2014 and, once in the knock out stage, good luck trying to eliminate Spain.
Iniesta, Pique, Ramos, Busquets, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Silva, Torres, Casillas, and many more of that Spain roster in '14 went on to keep winning Champions Leagues, or make deep runs, after that WC.
Sure a 19 y/o would have been the difference in 2006
You put homerism to a whole new level... worst than kobe fans
worst is probably saying 2014 Spain win with Messi... this group could not past group stage... took 5 against Netherlands and 2 against Chile but but magical Messi would have transformed dat
DAF: "football and bb is a team sport... well except in 2014 when Messi could have won a WC by himself with a roster who had the biggest meltdown of all time" And yet he could not win with Argentina .... hilarious
the level of dumbness on this one is off the chart
Not saying Italy didn't have a good team, juust that they weren't favourites and that can be easily proved, for example:son
here is their mother ing roster tbh:
buffon - peak GOAT goalkeeper
cannavaro - GOAT defender, 32 just out of prime
nesta - GOAT defender, 30 in his prime
zambrotta - top 5 LB/RB in his prime
grosso - quality LB/RB
luca toni - UCL winner squad level striker at his peak
totti - historically good talent at his peak
del piero - historically good talent at his peak
inzaghi - historically good talent past peak
camoranesi - top winger
pirlo - GOAT midfielder
gattuso - historically good holding midfielder
and a slew of other quality role players. Don't mistake the negative calciopoli hype for reality tbh, it actually hardened the team, the majority of them were in their peak/prime and all knew that this was their one big chance to have a great world cup. I remember to this day that all the talk shows before the WC talked about how the italian NT would fail and so on and all the real knowledgeable people (beckenbauer, good broadcasters and analysts) were saying wake up, they're real contenders. When we got them in the SF we had a lot of hype in the media but many people who understood the game knew that we had a 25% chance to advance against that squad.
Spain with messi would still be inexperienced and untested in 06, and talent alone is not enough against squads like '06 france or '06 italy, so no, they would have a low % to win in 06.
2006 World Cup Odds (Outright Win)
*Odds courtesy of BODOG Sports
Brazil 5/2
Argentina 13/2
Germany 7/1
England 7/1
Netherlands 12/1
Italy 17/2
https://www.docsports.com/2006-world-cup-odds.html
If you don't understand the level of psychological advantage that comes with having the best player in the World on your side I don't know what to tell you son. It plays in the minds of both your team and the adversary. You need to look no further than 20014 Argentina that would have been eliminated in the group stage without Messi and end it almost winning it all with him. I mean, I don't know how much clearer do you want it, tbh.DAF: "football and bb is a team sport... well except in 2014 when Messi could have won a WC by himself with a roster who had the biggest meltdown of all time" And yet he could not win with Argentina .... hilarious
the level of dumbness on this one is off the chart
you are just saying that a team in meltdown mode (Spain2014) that took 5 in the ass in group stage would have won it all with Messi ?If you don't understand the level of psychological advantage that comes with having the best player in the World on your side I don't know what to tell you son. It plays in the minds of both your team and the adversary. You need to look no further than 20014 Argentina that would have been eliminated in the group stage without Messi and end it almost winning it all with him. I mean, I don't know how much clearer do you want it, tbh.
that is some stupid ... Nobody can save an entire demotivated team more concerned by partying than playing football and Messi is in particular not this kind of leader.
Just admit you had a brain fart with your Spain would have one or two more and move along
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