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Would love to see LeBron in silver and black before he retires. It'd be even better if it's before he's washed up. This is CP3's legacy closing quickly. He can take more money and never win a le or take less and have a legit chance.
James and Paul in silver n black? That's a lil too much to process. Damn.
Pop built something unique n special here in SA. W/o pop wouldn't be this way.
Would love to see LeBron in silver and black before he retires. It'd be even better if it's before he's washed up. This is CP3's legacy closing quickly. He can take more money and never win a le or take less and have a legit chance.
That's what he should do and see if they could have a 98-0 season. Maybe a little wrestling before the games.
Chris paul is getting fat tbh. Im still on the fence about this guy. Why? Hes getting old and doesnt really look like he has taken care of himself. Has had nagging injuries.
I am very reluctant to bless the signing of this guy at this stage in his career. He needs to get in shape or take some roids imo.
Would San Antonio Spurs adding Chris Paul close gap with Golden State Warriors? - NBA
Scenario A: Spurs move ParkerWould adding All-Star point guard Chris Paul make the San Antonio Spurs a true threat to the Golden State Warriors?
If Paul decides to leave the LA Clippers, who can offer him an extra year and an estimated $53 million more than any other suitor, he intends to seriously consider joining the Spurs, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.
One of the factors Paul must consider is how much a move would improve his chances of beating the Warriors, who are likely to bring back a similar core because of Kevin Durant's willingness to take less money this summer.
How much would adding Paul close the gap with Golden State? Let's take a look at some early statistical projections for San Antonio with Paul at the point.
If Paul picks San Antonio, and the Spurs pay him the max, clearing enough room under the salary cap to fit his $35.3 million salary will be tricky. Even if center Pau Gasol declines his $16.2 million player option for 2017-18 and the Spurs renounce all their other free agents -- a group including key reserves Manu Ginobili, Patty Mills and Jonathon Simmons -- they'd still have less than $23 million in projected cap space based on the NBA's current $101 million salary-cap projection.
The most painless way for San Antonio to clear the necessary space in basketball terms would also be the most painful from a human perspective: moving veteran point guard Tony Parker, who has played his entire career for the Spurs, winning four championships. Since Paul would effectively replace Parker, who told French newspaper L'Equipe he doesn't expect to return from a ruptured quadriceps until next January, the on-court transition would be relatively seamless.
San Antonio could waive Parker and stretch his $15.4 million 2017-18 salary over the next three seasons to get to $33.2 million in cap space. Giving Paul his max would also require trading young reserves Kyle Anderson, Davis Bertans and Dejounte Murray as well as this year's first-round pick (drafting a player who intends to remain overseas would also work), which would leave the Spurs with just three players under contract before signing Paul.
Alternatively, San Antonio could try to use draft picks to entice a team under the cap to take on Parker's entire $15.5 million salary, which under current projections would allow the Spurs to avoid trading any young players and to retain the rights to free agents Simmons and David Lee while still creating the necessary cap space.
Let's imagine the Spurs are able to trade Parker while re-signing Simmons, Lee and center Dewayne Dedmon using their room midlevel exception. That would yield the following rotation, as projected for 2017-18 by ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM):
Player MPG OffRPM DefRPM Chris Paul 32 3.9 2.1 Danny Green 27 0.2 1.9 Kawhi Leonard 34 4.5 2.1 LaMarcus Aldridge 32 -0.3 1.1 DeWayne Dedmon 20 -1.7 2.4 Dejounte Murray 18 -0.7 -0.3 Jonathon Simmons 25 -1.1 0.4 Kyle Anderson 18 -0.6 2.2 Davis Bertans 14 0.3 -0.1 David Lee 20 -1.4 0.3 Bryn Forbes 5 -1.7 -1.3 Replacement 9 -1.7 -0.4 Total 2.6 6.1
RPM sees this group as slightly better at both ends than this year's Spurs, who were 2.4 points per 100 possessions better than league average on offense and 5.0 points per 100 possessions better on defense. The offensive upgrade from Parker to Paul is somewhat offset by the loss of Gasol and increased minutes for Murray, who projects as a below-average offensive player despite the fact that point guards typically rate much better than average on offense (and worse on defense).
All told, RPM would project 62 wins for this version of San Antonio, only one more than this past season. However, it's worth noting that RPM projections are by nature conservative, and last year's summer projections for the Spurs called for just 54.5 wins.
Scenario B: Spurs move Aldridge
Because of his importance to the organization, letting Parker go might not be an option for San Antonio. In that case, the Spurs would probably need to trade LaMarcus Aldridge to clear the necessary cap space. (Trading the lower-priced Danny Green would create the same additional complications as stretching Parker's salary.)
Dealing Aldridge's salary ($21.5 million in 2017-18) to a team with the necessary cap space would make the cap math much easier for San Antonio. The Spurs could then retain the rights to Simmons and Lee and have about $7 million in cap space to use after signing Paul, based on current projections.
Let's imagine that San Antonio uses the money to sign Nenê as a replacement for Aldridge and Gasol in the frontcourt, which would produce this rotation:
Player MPG OffRPM DefRPM Chris Paul 32 3.9 2.1 Danny Green 27 0.2 1.9 Kawhi Leonard 34 4.5 2.1 David Lee 25 -1.4 0.3 Nenê 20 -1.9 2.8 Tony Parker 18 -1.2 -1.1 Dejounte Murray 12 -0.7 -0.3 Jonathon Simmons 24 -1.1 0.4 Kyle Anderson 18 -0.6 2.2 Davis Bertans 20 0.3 -0.1 DeWayne Dedmon 20 -1.7 2.4 Bryn Forbes 5 -1.7 -1.3 Replacement 9 -1.7 -0.4 Total 1.9 6.3
While this group is weaker offensively because it replaces Aldridge with Nenê (and gives more minutes for Bertans and Lee), this group is slightly better defensively. RPM would forecast about 61 wins for this version of the Spurs.
Either way, San Antonio is unlikely to entirely close the gap on the Warriors, who were nearly as good on defense this season as the Spurs project with Paul, but were much better offensively. San Antonio has to sacrifice too much depth to create max cap space.
Still, joining the Spurs would surely give Paul a more realistic chance of reaching the conference finals for the first time in his star-crossed playoff career and give him hope of beating Golden State -- something the Clippers may no longer offer.
Last edited by ace3g; 06-08-2017 at 10:13 PM.
Thank you so much!
Pretty awesome that in the first scenario, we would effectively be getting Paul and losing only Parker, Mills, Gasol, and Ginobili. And even then, we could re-sign Ginobili to the veteran minimum after signing Paul if he were amenable to it.
That's a tradeoff I'm sure most Spurs fans would be willing to make.
Great stuff. If i had to choose an option, i would go with b. I could give a about fake news like rpm, but realistically spurs arent trying to out defend anyone with pau, mills, or lamarsha. Dedmon and lee are the centers. Anderson and bertans are the 4s. Forbes is better than mills. Paul is better than lma. A bag of is better than pau, and you get 7 mil? Take b if its given. Healthy b would kick gsw ass
Option B might not make it out of the second round tbh, or just be swept in the WCF again. Say what you will about LMA, but dumping him instead of Parker who won't be able to play til post-ASB and even then can't share the floor with CP0 would be a lateral move at best. The only realistic option for even somewhat challenging the Dubs is A.
I note that Pelton hasn't projected what I would consider the most likely scenario - Move Aldridge for space + Pick(s) and waive and stretch Parker - Which would look something like this (note that Dedmon has opted out and theoretically been replaced with Nene)
Player MPG OffRPM DefRPM Chris Paul 32 3.9 2.1 Danny Green 27 0.2 1.9 Kawhi Leonard 34 4.5 2.1 Pau Gasol 25 .8 1.5 Nene replacing Dedmon 20 -1.9 2.8 Dejounte Murray 18 -0.7 -0.3 Jonathon Simmons 25 -1.1 0.4 Kyle Anderson 18 -0.6 2.2 Davis Bertans 14 0.3 -0.1 David Lee 20 -1.4 0.3 Bryn Forbes 5 -1.7 -1.3 Replacement 9 -1.7 -0.4 Total 0.6 11.2
Although I am unsure of the Nene signing, not to mention retaining Simmons (I think the FO will not pay his market value...), the results (according to this projection method) are monstrous - that D!
"I am not 'most Spurs fans.'"
Pelton's numbers seem a little flawed in reasoning. Using basketball Insiders numbers and explanations, keeping Bertans and Murray while stretching Parker plus cap holds and previous stretches gets them to offering about 35.077 or so.
So yes, less than 35.3 to keep Bertans and Murray.
But if Paul is interested in joining the Spurs, it's because he's decided to prioritize a chance at winning over money. And if he's doing that, he's not going to force the Spurs to give up Bertans or Murray in a salary dump to make an extra $1 million over 4 years, because that would defeat the whole purpose of joining the Spurs.
Furthermore that can be reasonably extrapolated to other players.
A 2017 first rounder on the roster over a minimum roster charge costs Paul about what, 2.5 million over 4 years?
Simmons about 3.7 million over 4 years.
If Paul NEEDS his money, he's not coming anyway.
Especially with Durant already saying in public that he was willing to take less than his max.
I could understand demanding a raise over what he was due (25 million) to justify the move to his family and such, but if he needs the absolute max, he's not leaving LAC
I also agree on notion that CP3 cares more about winning than money now, and wants to have a shot against the Warriors in May with his rumored interest in the Spurs.
Nothing else would make sense.
You also have to roll with Kawhi, Aldridge, and Paul as your big three for at least one season.
Parker isn't going anywhere.
Gasol will be the first casualty followed by Green.
Spurs will have a really good chance of signing CP3 if they want him imo.
It could be a way to force the Clippers to make certain moves. Say for example if CP3 wants Deandre out then this would be a good way to get some leverage to force a move or make some roster changes. I agree though all the talk about this is just him trying to ensure a full max deal is BS because that's already a given.
If they kept Bertans, Murray, 2017 first, Simmons QO, Kyle Anderson, Milutinov and Forbes with LMA, Kawhi, and Green,
They could start Paul at 31.15 approximately. Which is close to 4/134.
That would include stretching Parker though, right?
CP3 may come to Spursland, but we need more.....
Much, much more.....
If CP3 comes to the Spurs, and by any miracle, we get another star, then youre talking!!!!
And we need a solid bench, too.....
Yes, also assuming Lee opts out and Gasol is dumped
I say trade Aldridge for Bradley, then sign Zach Randolph for a 2 year 10-12 mil per year contract (if he accepts it) then call it an offseason. We upgrade at the sg and pf positions for next season then still have the major capspace to use next summer.
this if Paul is getting here for max money, which means that there will be no team whatsoever. Can't Spurs sign him like GSW did with Durant ? 1+1 and then resign him with 2018 cap space ? I`d say 21 + 21 PO, and then in 2018 sign him for 4 years at 30 annual ? That gives him 141 mil compared to 207 mil from LAC, but 2017-18 Spurs will still be good, and in summer 2018 Spurs will have close to 45 mil available for Paul/UFA with LMA/Green having PO with bird rights that could be even more cap space.
This is what I have been saying. If you sign him to a max deal next year and account for the extra13 million He pays in California taxes the 5 year difference is less than15 million.
None of this team is being championship contender in next 2-3 years. Paul won't join them. It`s Spurs - legit championship contender or Clippers money + imaginary championship contender.
I like scenario A.
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