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    1. I expect loyalty
    2. Drop Flynn investigation
    3. It'd be good to get out that I'm not under investigation; but some of my satellite associates may be
    4. It'd be good to get out that I'm not under investigation, "because I have been very loyal to you" and "because we had that thing you know.
    1. Disputed already. He said/he said
    2. Hope you let it go
    3. Continue to investigate if satellites did
    4. ???

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    That's besides the point. He's the president now. He has obligations that he didn't have as a businessman. He took an oath. His inexperience got him the job -- and the responsibility. He can't hide behind the inexperience.

    I didn't ask whether Trump sees it as improper. I'm sure he didn't. But that's besides the point. In any event, do you consider it improper?



    Yeah I mean I don't know what to say other than the optics look like that's why he did it.
    At this point we've only heard Comey's side of their 1 on 1 talks. I wasn't there and would at least like to hear the other side before deeming improper.

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    TSA Watch your claim go bye bye.



    Wonder how ST lawyers spurraider21 vy65 see this as.
    Without having read these decisions, I'm willing to bet none of them turn on the phrase "I hope." It's a question of whether that statement, along with other evidence, is sufficient to show whether a crime was committed (the quoted portion in the second tweet makes the same point I made re: cir stantial evidence). I don't think saying "I hope" is dispositive one way or another.

    Also, spurraider aint no ing lawyer yet. This is still my house.

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    1. I expect loyalty
    2. Drop Flynn investigation
    3. It'd be good to get out that I'm not under investigation; but some of my satellite associates may be
    4. It'd be good to get out that I'm not under investigation, "because I have been very loyal to you" and "because we had that thing you know.
    Do you not think that 3 and 4 would not piss a guy like Trumo off to the point of firing Comey?

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    Also, spurraider aint no ing lawyer yet. This is still my house.

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    night ya'll.

    Take it easy on Reck I'd like to see my dozen articles tomorrow

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    TSA answer questions tomorrow? Leave like Trump lawyer today.

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    night ya'll.

    Take it easy on Reck I'd like to see my dozen articles tomorrow
    Night, bro.

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    Trump's not a seasoned politician so I doubt he saw them as improper. He's still in "business" mode.
    Ya think.

    He is not seasoned in how a democracy works, he's fine at politics.

    One interesting side effect of this circus. It has the general public much more interested in how our democracy works.

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    Do you not think that 3 and 4 would not piss a guy like Trumo off to the point of firing Comey?
    Huh? Do I think Nos 3, 4 would piss Trump off to the point he fired Comey? Why only 3,4? What about 1,2?

    I think that Nos 1-4 give a picture of why Trump fired Comey.

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    You just make comment then say can't comment.

    This odd.

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    night ya'll.

    Take it easy on Reck I'd like to see my dozen articles tomorrow
    This is great.

    Definitely Thread masturbating material.

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    Without having read these decisions, I'm willing to bet none of them turn on the phrase "I hope." It's a question of whether that statement, along with other evidence, is sufficient to show whether a crime was committed (the quoted portion in the second tweet makes the same point I made re: cir stantial evidence). I don't think saying "I hope" is dispositive one way or another.

    Also, spurraider aint no ing lawyer yet. This is still my house.
    i have a J.D. mother er

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    Wonder how ST lawyers spurraider21 vy65 see this as.
    i get that he used the word hope here, but i don't think it's on point. they're very different scenarios.

    there were 2 important events in this person's conviction for obstruction (there were multiple offenses here, but just talking about obstruction)

    1) while in prison, he held a note that just said "Don't tell them about the knife."
    2) separately, he sent a letter saying "i hope and pray to god you did not say anything about a weapon..."

    i think they were considered together... and the 2nd letter was after the fact that basically just confirms the intent (imo). there's no telling if just 1 of those would have been sufficient for a conviction, and it's not really discussed much here.

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    And another example:

    this was an obstruction charge, but for witness tampering before a grand jury proceeding. but it does talk about what vy was mentioning, that specific intent is usually drawn from cir stantial evidence. i read the case and they dont really talk about the word "hoping" being a deciding factor at all. but in combination with other quotes, they found it to be enough. they use statements from the next day to show intent. here's the continuation of that pic you took.


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    this was an obstruction charge, but for witness tampering before a grand jury proceeding. but it does talk about what vy was mentioning, that specific intent is usually drawn from cir stantial evidence. i read the case and they dont really talk about the word "hoping" being a deciding factor at all. but in combination with other quotes, they found it to be enough. they use statements from the next day to show intent. here's the continuation of that pic you took.

    Very polite and lawyerly way of telling Reck he's grasping at straws

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    Very polite and lawyerly way of telling Reck he's grasping at straws
    i think vy said it best. the word "hope" isn't dispositive one way or the other.

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    You will never lose as long as you get to define whether you have won or lost.
    No worries.

    Life is good for you. Keep it simple.
    He mopped the in' floor with her in ass.

    Trump President. Not Clinton.

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    NY Daily News leaves little to the imagination in their post-Comey hearing cover




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    Regug assholes defense is "hope"less, since their entire defense is attacking "hope"

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    I hope you give me your wallet.




    Republican: Well, in that case because "hope" isn't really a compelling specific request, no thanks, I will be on my way...

    BANG!!


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    i think vy said it best. the word "hope" isn't dispositive one way or the other.
    Context matters.

    In the context of the President of the United States ordering everybody else out of the room, and firing the FBI director after his "hopes" weren't realized, saying explicitly that he was fired because of the investigation, it is more than enough.

    Trump stupid, not Clinton.

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