In case you needed another reason to hate GS

[poop]

And of course all the major cities voted for hillary. Virtually every big city in america, regardless of the state, have a Dem mayor. This is because the democrat base- the urban ghettos and college kids- are all concentrated in the big cities

[cd98]

I don't buy that. Other countries in the first world have figured it out, and the US is a lot richer than they are. Before the ACA we paid way more than any other 1st world country for our healthcare. It's not like healthcare just got expensive in 2013.

Figured it out? It's expensive with worse care. They figured that out. But once you go universal healthcare, politically, you can't turn back. That's why Repubs running on repealing Obamacare is so funny. There's no way to do it politically.

Healthcare has gotten more expensive because the improved treatment is expensive. It used to be mostly available to the people who could afford insurance. But now it's there for everyone. That means rationing as they don't have the resources to give it to everyone. It also means that the people that could afford insurance are now footing the bill for those who couldn't. That's a tight squeeze on the middle class who will also have to wait in line to get treatment behind some of the folks that are paying little to nothing. That's how universal healthcare works.

[baseline bum]

Figured it out? It's expensive with worse care. They figured that out. But once you go universal healthcare, politically, you can't turn back. That's why Repubs running on repealing Obamacare is so funny. There's no way to do it politically.

Healthcare has gotten more expensive because the improved treatment is expensive. It used to be mostly available to the people who could afford insurance. But now it's there for everyone. That means rationing as they don't have the resources to give it to everyone. It also means that the people that could afford insurance are now footing the bill for those who couldn't. That's a tight squeeze on the middle class who will also have to wait in line to get treatment behind some of the folks that are paying little to nothing. That's how universal healthcare works.

We have been paying way more than the rest of the world on healthcare for years. 17.6% of GDP in 2010, right in the middle of the medical bankruptcy era. No one else was close to that, not countries with universal coverage.



We pay the highest prices for bad outcomes and we have for years. Our healthcare system was broken and unsustainable before Obama, this didn't just start recently.

[AFMadison]

Obama let it balloon out of control 4 years before he took office?

What re revisionist history. LOL just repeating Trump's conspiracy theories.

How about Trump trolling people who voted for him by promising his health care bill would cover everyone and how he wasn't a typical Republican because he wasn't going to cut Medicaid, Medicare, and SS? And then pushing a bill cutting 23 million people off insurance and slashing Medicaid both in Trumpcare and his budget? Though I'm fine with him zeroing out SS Disability since that's his base that's going to be taking most of that hit.

Insurance carriers have until June 2018 to choose how they go about the healthcare reform, it's honestly too early to make a judgement imo. All this negative talk of Trumpcare is a bunch of hypotheticals of what "could" go wrong. Just like how they said the stock market "could" tank under Trump, but yet it's at an ALL time high, something the MSM won't report. Again, you don't speak for those 23 million people.

[AFMadison]

I don't buy that. Other countries in the first world have figured it out, and the US is a lot richer than they are. Before the ACA we paid way more than any other 1st world country for our healthcare. It's not like healthcare just got expensive in 2013.

Lol take the L

[rjv]

Trumpateer MOD.

conditional fallacy

[AFMadison]

Why? You didn't address what I said.

I did, I covered every point, way to deflect again. I see your emojis have faded once I force fed you facts, something the left can't seem to handle.

[baseline bum]

Insurance carriers have until June 2018 to choose how they go about the healthcare reform, it's honestly too early to make a judgement imo. All this negative talk of Trumpcare is a bunch of hypotheticals of what "could" go wrong. Just like how they said the stock market "could" tank under Trump, but yet it's at an ALL time high, something the MSM won't report. Again, you don't speak for those 23 million people.

Those 23 million must be that 17% that approve of Trumpcare.

[dabom]

conditional fallacy

Please tell me more about fallacies.

[AFMadison]

Texas has a good size hispanic base. It's continuing to grow. And city people are tired of republican bull .

Yeaaaaaa so tired of it.
Trump wins election*

[baseline bum]

I did, I covered every point, way to deflect again. I see your emojis have faded once I force fed you facts, something the left can't seem to handle.

Bull son, you sailed right past Trump claiming he would provide universal coverage and not touch medicaid on the campaign trail only to have him try to kick 23 million people off insurance and gut medicaid in Trumpcare and his budget. More Trump trolling?

[dabom]

Yeaaaaaa so tired of it.
Trump wins election*

Am I talking about this election you stupid ?

[AFMadison]

Those 23 million must be that 17% that approve of Trumpcare.

Lol, well yea 17% if we go back to March, but I'll let you stay in that month, since it fits your agenda more.

[AFMadison]

Am I talking about this election you stupid ?

You're talking about a current consensus, and currently, Donald Trump is your president

[GSH]

Bull son, you sailed right past Trump claiming he would provide universal coverage and not touch medicaid on the campaign trail only to have him try to kick 23 million people off insurance and gut medicaid in Trumpcare and his budget. More Trump trolling?

"If you like your policy, you can keep you policy."

You STILL can't have it both ways. If lies and broken promises bother you, there's plenty of blame to go around. Why would you let one guy off the hook? The difference between us is that I hate 'em all.

[baseline bum]

"If you like your policy, you can keep you policy."

You STILL can't have it both ways. If lies and broken promises bother you, there's plenty of blame to go around. Why would you let one guy off the hook? The difference between us is that I hate 'em all.

Yeah you hate em all. I always hear that from reliable republican voters.

[DPG21920]

Yeah you hate em all. I always hear that from reliable republican voters.

Hillary voters throwing stones at Republican voters. Now I've seen it all.

[dabom]

Yeah you hate em all. I always hear that from reliable republican voters.

"They're both bad" - repubs

[baseline bum]

Hillary voters throwing stones at Republican voters. Now I've seen it all.

I don't pretend I don't vote one way or the other. I can't count how many people I know who say they hate both sides and they're independents and then they tell me they voted a straight GOP ticket.

[dabom]

Yes Hillary is just as bad as orangutan.

[RD2191]

The entire US will soon go blue, old white s that are yearning for the good old days will soon die off.

[DPG21920]

I don't pretend I don't vote one way or the other. I can't count how many people I know who say they hate both sides and they're independents and then they tell me they voted a straight GOP ticket.

Well then I don't get the throwing of stones and that is what is exactly wrong with DEMS. Who gives a damn what you say, it's what you do. If you vote for a POS party that would trot out Hillary and then rig it in her favor, you really have no room.

The fact that REP are at least embarrassed by their actions speaks louder to me than being someone who doesn't hide what they do when its awful.

[DPG21920]

Yes Hillary is just as bad as orangutan.

She's worse She lost to Trump

[baseline bum]

Well then I don't get the throwing of stones and that is what is exactly wrong with DEMS. Who gives a damn what you say, it's what you do. If you vote for a POS party that would trot out Hillary and then rig it in her favor, you really have no room.

The fact that REP are at least embarrassed by their actions speaks louder to me than being someone who doesn't hide what they do when its awful.

Are you 12? Do you not know how government works? I didn't feel bad voting for Clinton because Ryan would be an enormous check and balance against her, she'd never get any of her agenda through the house. It was a far better situation than Trump becoming president and having a friendly Ryan + McConnell to implement his agenda. Even though I vote mostly democrat I would have voted Trump as a you to Clinton if the shoe was on the other foot and Pelosi had an insurmountable house majority heading into the 2016 election. In an election that bad you should vote for the one who could do the least damage and that was Clinton with a house hostile to her (the senate was likely going to whoever won the presidency).

[DPG21920]

Are you 12? Do you not know how government works? I didn't feel bad voting for Clinton because Ryan would be an enormous check and balance against her, she'd never get any of her agenda through the house. It was a far better situation than Trump becoming president and having a friendly Ryan + McConnell to implement his agenda. Even though I vote mostly democrat I would have voted Trump as a you to Clinton if the shoe was on the other foot and Pelosi had an insurmountable house majority heading into the 2016 election. In an election that bad you should vote for the one who could do the least damage and that was Clinton with a house hostile to her (the senate was likely going to whoever won the presidency).

That seems like an awful lot of justification for someone who knowingly bows to the system and votes for known corruption vs taking a stand.

Either way, it ends up with Trump in office, however you can at least look yourself in the mirror and say you didn't vote Hillary because "your party" ran her when you admit she's a steaming pile of corruption.