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Paul George would be a more important piece, than cp3 or Cousins, in trying to matchup with the Warriors, tbh.
Huh? The Gasol part = the salary relief. PG opting out free's up that money for IND. Trading Pau allows the trade to be legal salary wise while keeping the freeing of salary up the same since Pau's deal expires next year.
Paul George would be a more important piece, than cp3 or Cousins, in trying to matchup with the Warriors, tbh.
Why would the Pacers take on that albatross and give us George for a first round pick that is likely to be ?
Are you confused? It's not an albatross. He's only on the books for this year. If they aren't getting offers, getting an expiring contract that comes off the books the same time as PG (meaning they take on no salary) plus getting a first rounder is perhaps the best they will get.
PG is leaving. Many teams, if they think PG is dead set on LA, is not going to offer much. Some may, but this is the type of deal SA should offer. Will it work? Who knows, but that type of deal may very well end up being what IND gets unless someone like CLE thinks they can convince PG to stay and offers up a more substantial player vs pick (i.e. Love).
If anything, make the Lakers sweat that he may actually stick around in SA or Cleveland and make the Lakers spend some assets to get him now.
There's no salary relief - Gasol's contract would expire exactly when PG's would when he opts out. Besides, Pacers can't attract anyone so they really have no use of cap space. They'll go in a rebuilding mode and will easily get a better offer than the 29th pick.
hmmmmmm
I'm extremely curious as to what they are actually going to get. Woj said they also want starting-caliber players, which I assume means not prospects. Sad thing is, the Spurs had a better chance to offer that last year than they do now.
Though Indy does have a couple of bad contracts I could see them wanting to move. Something like this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycjay47a
plus picks, of course. It's hard question as to whether it's worth it to take on all that long-term salary, though the 2019 free-agent class is pretty legit.
They probably couldn't afford to bottom out but the way I understand it they'd be looking for someone like, say Saric, who can play right away than for a vet starter. We'll see what they'll get but imo a year of keeping PG and the chance to be in playoff contention would be worth more to them than a late 1st round pick and fillers.
Why would being a playoff team, knowing PG is gone be more valuable than 1. A first round pick and not taking on salary & 2. A worse 1st rounder of your own (because you made the playoffs vs being in the lottery). Makes absoultely zero sense.
Ok - I think you know what I meant by "relief". It meant not messing with taking on salary in return (unless it was for a player they actually like). It may very well end up IND getting a deal that nets them picks + cheap young "talent" (if any at all) + the same expiring so they don't take on salary beyond next year.
You are making assumptions they will get better than the 29th pick. IMO, it's possible, but not at all likely. The only thing I can see them getting "better" is actual player if they can convince PG to look at other teams besides LA.
If that is the case, say CLE or BOS, IND may actually get players and picks. But if he's dead set on LA, I highly doubt they will get much better than 29th pick because at that point the only teams that will gamble will all be damn good teams hoping to convince PG to stay with winning (CLE - no picks or late, SA - 29th pick, etc..)
Because most teams try to make money and to put butts on seats and prefer being in the playoffs over ping pong balls. Especially small market teams that have no chance at a championship in the foreseeable future anyway.
Yep. I'm wondering what the heck he's talking about. If PG stays and is gone at the end of next season, why would the Pacers want a lower pick to go with him leaving?
Nah - not in situations like this. You by FAR see more teams in this scenario, unless they can work a deal with a team outside of LA like I said (to get actual talent like Love, etc..) tank in this situation. Very few fight it and especially with a situation that is very rare with a player coming out this publicly saying he's gone.
I agree that IND would much prefer to stay a playoff team, but that is predicated on whether or not Paul George gives the ok to be traded to CLE, SA, BOS, etc. where IND can actually get a decent value for him.
If he stays committed to "only LA" they are in big time trouble value wise and the tank will be on unless someone really takes a big gamble
That's especially true for the Pacers who seem to be completely against ever bottoming out. I'm sure they would prefer both upside and current production. But I don't know how many of those guys will be available.
Bird is gone now. The days of brining in Al Jefferson and Monta to claw out 1 more win are probably over. It's why Bird is gone IMO and why PG is leaving. Have to think a change in the way they do things, after seeing BOS/PHI leap frog them is in the cards.
Philly hasn't leaped over anybody yet. Bird is gone because he thought he was better than he was. He tried to low-ball Lance, alienated Hill and West and had a public pissing match with PG. That doesn't even get into how he did Granger. Dude caught fire in a jar and then spent years pissing on it until it went out.
We will have to disagree about Philly. I mean, you are technically correct with regards to PHI not being ahead in the standings. I'm talking about putting your team in a great position though - not the actual standings. But ultimately we will see how that works out and position only matters if it materializes.
But my point is right now, even IND would switch rosters and situations with PHI if they had the choice. Thats what I meant
We can add to the list:
He fired their coach after ECF appearances and all in a humiliating fashion. He was terrible to that team. Then once PG more privately expressed he wanted out, he played tough ball with Ainge and others, effectively worsening the situation. He knew the tank was on and wanted no part of it. Literally screwed up a team.
Completely forgot about that. And it makes it worse than he hired Nate to fill the roll. You could tell it was just a personal thing.
I'm not defending Bird - just saying that, in addition to what you all mentioned, grasping for straws killed the team. I doubt that happens now.
Keep the team culture and keep finding underrated players overseas. We are only one really good draft pick or good move away from another championship. Add hard working, tough players rather than divas who can dunk and defend if they are really into the game. Stay "boring" and play as a team.
In reality I have no idea who you replace him with but I don't think the Spurs will ring while they have Aldridge as a second banana. I'd love to be wrong, but there are roleplayers in the team that have outplayed him. It happens regularly, maybe it's someone different on different occasions but he gets outplayed by guys in his own team regularly.
I don't care much for Aldridge either. He is boring enough but not a fighter.
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