Sources: Paul George tells Pacers he plans to leave franchise, prefers joining Lakers

[nyspurguy]

Yeah, it would be better for George. But he doesn't have a trade clause so the Pacers are probably looking for the best deal. They'd probably prefer K-Love over anything we'd offer for a 1 year rental.

[SAGirl]

No STer worth a does, tbh.

Too much of throwing in guys in trades just bc.... just bc guys don't like a guy. Tough to tell who is a troll in disguise who's really a fan of another team. I don't think Danny is untradeable, specially if the star coming in is a star wing, but in that trade the proposal is LMA for PG and it doesn't need any additional players included. The guy with the idea is essentially trading Danny and Kyle for Al freaking Jefferson. Maybe that dude deserves that deal to really suck

And I don't mind trading Kyle but he's thrown around in every deal like he has no value. Guy is 23, played well in the postseason, is training with Kahwi and Murray in the summer.... it's not that he's not tradeable but he's not going to be a gift or thrown in a trade just bc "let's get rid of him. Can't take guys at face value here. They would be worse than Larry Bird, the GM.

[Emperor]

So if George gets traded and resigns with that team next summer, how much more can he make as opposed to signing with another team for example, the Lakers?

[sasaint]

He would be redundant if PG comes.

Not redundant - a nice luxury. A three wing rotation of Kawhi/PG/Danny would be terrific defensively. Plus Danny pairs with Kawhi and PG equally well on offense. Heck, throw in JSimms as a fourth wing in the rotation and we are super-set. An opponent might beat us in the backcourt or in the post, but not on the wings.

[sasaint]

Too much of throwing in guys in trades just bc.... just bc guys don't like a guy. Tough to tell who is a troll in disguise who's really a fan of another team. I don't think Danny is untradeable, specially if the star coming in is a star wing, but in that trade the proposal is LMA for PG and it doesn't need any additional players included. The guy with the idea is essentially trading Danny and Kyle for Al freaking Jefferson. Maybe that dude deserves that deal to really suck

And I don't mind trading Kyle but he's thrown around in every deal like he has no value. Guy is 23, played well in the postseason, is training with Kahwi and Murray in the summer.... it's not that he's not tradeable but he's not going to be a gift or thrown in a trade just bc "let's get rid of him. Can't take guys at face value here. They would be worse than Larry Bird, the GM.

I think this is the season Pop will start Kyle at PF and see if he establishes himself as a keeper at a stable position. I hope that Kyle is building some lower body strength and shooting threes all summer.

[DAF86]

CP3, Green, Kawhi, PG13, Bertans (against Warriors death lineup)

[Mal]

Fair point actually but is losing Danny green worth a one year at the most Paul George rental?

I won't be so sure about that one year rental. He prefers Lakers, but he could sign anywhere. It's one year, bird rigths and full year of persuading

[dabom]

I thought it was funny.

[GSH]

Got thread deleted, and came straight here to revive it.

I thought it was funny.

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[DPG21920]

How embarrassing lol just a complete goofball

[dabom]

Internet psychiatrists.

[TD 21]

Why even waste time conjuring up George to Spurs scenarios? None are plausible and even if one were, he's still youngish, with a big ego and would never settle for being Pippen to Leonard's Jordan.

There's also no plausible George to Clippers scenario and I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up with either Lakers or Cavaliers.

Speaking of which, Lakers shouldn't risk Cavaliers getting him. He might be dead set on former, but give him a year in a championship environment, around the best player on the planet, with a team that can also offer extra year/money and that could change. Lakers will eventually have to pick and choose which young players to pay anyway.

[DPG21920]

Why even waste time conjuring up George to Spurs scenarios? None are plausible and even if one were, he's still youngish, with a big ego and would never settle for being Pippen to Leonard's Jordan.

There's also no plausible George to Clippers scenario and I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up with either Lakers or Cavaliers.

Speaking of which, Lakers shouldn't risk Cavaliers getting him. He might be dead set on former, but give him a year in a championship environment, around the best player on the planet, with a team that can also offer extra year/money and that could change. Lakers will eventually have to pick and choose which young players to pay anyway.

I really hope LA gambles like that. Not because I don't want them to have PG, but because I want them to have to use cap space vs having his Bird Rights.

PG on a team like LA does no damage especially if they use cap space to sign him.

[baseline bum]

Why even waste time conjuring up George to Spurs scenarios? None are plausible and even if one were, he's still youngish, with a big ego and would never settle for being Pippen to Leonard's Jordan.

There's also no plausible George to Clippers scenario and I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up with either Lakers or Cavaliers.

Speaking of which, Lakers shouldn't risk Cavaliers getting him. He might be dead set on former, but give him a year in a championship environment, around the best player on the planet, with a team that can also offer extra year/money and that could change. Lakers will eventually have to pick and choose which young players to pay anyway.

Aldridge for George would be doable, at least if Bird was still there. The Clippers could trade Griffin or Jordan for George. Either one is more than they'll get from anyone else unless Magic is willing to give them pick #2.

[tonight...you]

I think this is the season Pop will start Kyle at PF and see if he establishes himself as a keeper at a stable position. I hope that Kyle is building some lower body strength and shooting threes all summer.

Hmmm... despite LMA's insistent preference for said position? Not that I disagree, but definitely something to look for. I (I know I could get some flame for this) actually liked him taking over for Danny, this last season. He put up some great D and did things that just worked for the team, despite his continuous (at the time) reluctance to shoot.

Here's my crazy take for next season, barring trades and acquisitions on the whole, Kyle starts at PG to start the season. Murray splits time with him as he also moves to other positions as he's an utility knife, on the court. Not the sharpest knife, but one that can cut.

[sasaint]

Hmmm... despite LMA's insistent preference for said position? Not that I disagree, but definitely something to look for. I (I know I could get some flame for this) actually liked him taking over for Danny, this last season. He put up some great D and did things that just worked for the team, despite his continuous (at the time) reluctance to shoot.

Here's my crazy take for next season, barring trades and acquisitions on the whole, Kyle starts at PG to start the season. Murray splits time with him as he also moves to other positions as he's an utility knife, on the court. Not the sharpest knife, but one that can cut.

That sounds like a shot clock killer to me. I don't really like the idea of Kyle bringing the ball up the floor. Teams will apply pressure which will slow down the game. Kyle is not capable of blowing by pressure - assuming he can even handle it on an every-play-basis. Kyle will have to bring the ball up very deliberately or involve another player such as Murray or (more likely) Kawhi. All of that just reduces the shot clock. I just don't see Kyle as a PG. I think he will have to develop lower body strength and a a corner three. Then he could become a fine PF.

LMA has been playing plenty at the 5 btw.

[TD 21]

Aldridge for George would be doable, at least if Bird was still there. The Clippers could trade Griffin or Jordan for George. Either one is more than they'll get from anyone else unless Magic is willing to give them pick #2.

Even Bird more than likely wouldn't do that. He tried (and failed) to modernize the roster last off season. Going back to pairing two traditional bigs together would fly in the face of that. Besides, Aldridge would inevitably be unhappy, probably wouldn't fetch much at the deadline and would just opt out and walk in a year.

Then there's George and Spurs perspective and like I said, he wouldn't be interested, so he'd just walk in a year and they couldn't even get much at the deadline because everyone knows he's Lakers bound.

Griffin would have to be a sign-and-trade and he wouldn't go to Pacers. Jordan, see Aldridge.

No chance Lakers give up the 2nd pick, nor should they have to. They've already said Ingram is untouchable, but that still leaves them with Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac and 28.

[baseline bum]

No chance Lakers give up the 2nd pick, nor should they have to. They've already said Ingram is untouchable, but that still leaves them with Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac and 28.

That's a bunch of garbage. Indy would be better off losing George for nothing than for crap young players. If the Pacers trade George to LA for any less than

[1] pick #2 and a scrub expiring contract (Nick Young or Tarik Black for example, so LA could absorb George's contract with capspace) or
[2] Ingram + 2019 first

then they're re ed. They could probably get something better than the Lakers failed young guys trading him even as a rental.

[TD 21]

That's a bunch of garbage. Indy would be better off losing George for nothing than for crap young players. If the Pacers trade George to LA for any less than

[1] pick #2 and a scrub expiring contract (Nick Young or Tarik Black for example, so LA could absorb George's contract with capspace) or
[2] Ingram + 2019 first

then they're re ed. They could probably get something better than the Lakers failed young guys trading him even as a rental.

No, they wouldn't. I don't think any of these Lakers young players are future stars either, but it's too early to write them off entirely (this is the only sport where players are constantly deemed busts 5 minutes into their careers) and being a lottery team for a bunch of years, odds are Pacers would end up with similar caliber prospects anyway. Also, historically they've never been open to a re-build, so getting immediate contributors is likely a priority.

[tonight...you]

That sounds like a shot clock killer to me. I don't really like the idea of Kyle bringing the ball up the floor. Teams will apply pressure which will slow down the game. Kyle is not capable of blowing by pressure - assuming he can even handle it on an every-play-basis. Kyle will have to bring the ball up very deliberately or involve another player such as Murray or (more likely) Kawhi. All of that just reduces the shot clock. I just don't see Kyle as a PG. I think he will have to develop lower body strength and a a corner three. Then he could become a fine PF.

LMA has been playing plenty at the 5 btw.

No argument. You're probably right. I said it was crazy...

[DPG21920]

No argument. You're probably right. I said it was crazy...

Kyle is fantastic as a secondary creator. Someone you can swing the ball to and he's more than capable of breaking people down off the dribble and then creating/scoring.

But ya, as a primary handler or initiator of offense? Nope.

[tonight...you]

Kyle is fantastic as a secondary creator. Someone you can swing the ball to and he's more than capable of breaking people down off the dribble and then creating/scoring.

But ya, as a primary handler or initiator of offense? Nope.

Yeah... like I said: crazy. No worries. I think stupid things from time to time. Sometimes all of the time.
I really did like him at SG last year though. When he was filling in for Verde.

[SAGirl]

Yeah... like I said: crazy. No worries. I think stupid things from time to time. Sometimes all of the time.
I really did like him at SG last year though. When he was filling in for Verde.

At any rate he played solid ball at different spots most of the season, specially later in the season after he got chemistry with others. I liked his pairing with Bertans. I liked him with Dijon too. I liked him as a 4 like he did at times in the postseason but Pop has played Bertans almost exclusively there while Kyle has played as a wing a lot.

In reality he had a very solid postseason, improved upon his last one. He should have gained confidence. There are many ways to incorporate his playmaking and passing (specially should Pau need to be traded out to make space) from the other spots he played. He compliments many players and lineups at this point bc he's adapted to playing off the ball, something he wasn't very good at earlier, setting screens, cutting and if you need him to make something happen off the dribble he can. He started shooting more towards the end of the season and his shot has improved. Hopefully he keeps that upward trend.

Look at the variety of ways he scored... both off the dribble and a lot more off the ball than his prior seasons



Here's Davis, notice the number of shots Kyle assisted him on too. (Davis has such a beautiful shot!) Simmons sand Manu found him too. That's a nice bench. If Spurs can't retain Simmons imagine Dijon there or Hanga?


I think both guys play together well but depending on what Spurs do one may start... though I tend to think Pop gets a traditional center to start and then mixes them up more.

Without knowing the rest of the roster impossible to say how Pop will play them. How did Pop not play Bertans more in the postseason? His natural tendencies to not rely in rookies. I don't expect that again.

[$pursDynasty]

Kyle is fantastic as a secondary creator. Someone you can swing the ball to and he's more than capable of breaking people down off the dribble and then creating/scoring.

But ya, as a primary handler or initiator of offense? Nope.

Why couldn't KA be our version of Sean Livingston similar range, Livingston is a bit more aggressive at times but I am not sure there is anything Livingston does that Kyle can't do per se.

[LkrFan]

PG to the Cavs confirmed.