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    I'd open up cap and sign Livingston and Igoudala.



    "Strength in numbers" tbh
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    Well Spurs need a playmaker and a finishing big. Any ideas what they could do with the money? And how much we looking at in Cap Space. With Pau and David opting out, Manu, Patty, Dedmon renounced, how much we looking at? Any chance we just resign Jonathon and Dedmon? I'm guessing we'd have about 20 million in cap. Any players around that price that can help move the needle?

    Ive seen a lot of bigs being worked out by Spurs so far, so I guess that's the direction. I personally don't think Dedmon is worth the Price but I'd definitely make Simmons a priority for anything 12 million per a year or under and he has a small cap hold, so if he doesn't sign anything too soon and force the Spurs hand we'd still have a cap and sign him after.
    Dedmon who got in Spurs doghouse Dedmon? Like all the way back in the kennel Dedmon? I don't think he will be back. Though he would fit better with CP3, but his ominous fall from grace from starting big to 14 guy in the roster was too precipitous to be meaningless.

    The only guy I can see back is Simmons. He contrary to Dedmon, rose in Pop's graces. Only guy I could see back... and I'd. They may go fir Iggy or something.

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    Just read that Tom Orsborn of SA Express News expects him to be gone. Sucks to lose such a guy, a great fit. Seriously how expensive could he be.
    Is this about Simmons or Lee? I got lost ....when no one is referenced by name.

    Sounds like Lee.

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    I thought it was in regard to David Lee

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    I thought it was in regard to David Lee
    Roger... Ty.
    Frankly makes sense. IMO.... good as he was he was blocking Davis Bertans from playing time. He also vastly outperformed his small contract. Heck at times he played better than LMA...

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    This has to mean the whole "CP3 to the Spurs" thing is stronger than we imagined. The only way I see Pau accepting this is if the PATFO told him "look, we need you to this so that we can sign Paul".

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    Pau isn't opting out for Hanga.
    Or mills or Simmons TBH

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    you don't think that 2018 is part of that equation? or minor additions as opposed to a big name FA?
    No.... Pay opting out had to do with not wanting to get traded in a salary dump like Tiago and Diaw and fir him to decide his own future. Spurs would only do a cap clearing trade to add someone significant not minor additions.... use your common sense.

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    Being dumped is much easier if you are being dumped into 16 million dollars. Pau has joined the Spurs salary cap braintrust and will play his last game as a Spur.

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    Good news. Thank you Pau.
    Yup and its great for us fans knowing that RC's getting things done.

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    Livingston, Leonard, Iguodala, Aldridge, Milutinov

    Murray, Simmons/Hanga/Manu, Anderson, Bertans, and 29th

    Parker, Forbes, etc

    Weakens Golden State and makes us a lot better. You only have to trade Green but you'd have Iguodala. I'm somehow convincing myself this is awesome. I'd give like 10-12 to Livingston starting role on contender and Iguodala 15-18 starting role on contender. They could embrace the idea of playing against Warriors.

    Am I crazy lol

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    Thanks Pau.

    With that said, a 3-yr deal for a guy who turns 37 in 2 weeks is kinda meh. Pau will still be on our books at almost 40 years old.
    He'll probably be in the rotation with 43 year old Manu and 25 year old KA...all moving at the same speed.

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    No.... Pay opting out had to do with not wanting to get traded in a salary dump like Tiago and Diaw and fir him to decide his own future. Spurs would only do a cap clearing trade to add someone significant not minor additions.... use your common sense.
    that's not what jabari young just stated on the radio. he indicated it was a move to clear space for being able to keep as much as they can from this roster and pursue a PG. He also stated that this PG would likely not be chris paul and that simmons has a number in his head, which simmons will not budge from, that young gives a 50/50 chance of the spurs matching, depending on what else transpires. now, if you have a source that contradicts this information (i.e. pau's move to not opt in) so that this is more than speculation on our part, feel free to share.

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    Ugh, I have the same sinking feeling I had when Jefferson opted out.

    This is probably bad news.

    Pau and his corpse stinking up the Spurs roster for even more years, as he gets progressively worse and worse.

    Him shaving off 5 million next year to stiff around for another two is awful in two ways:

    A: The discount in 17-18 does jack nothing as far as helping sign meaningful free agents

    B:. screws with the future cap flexibility everyone seems so excited about.

    I just hope they do the right thing and renounce him.

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    Is this about Simmons or Lee? I got lost ....when no one is referenced by name.

    Sounds like Lee.
    Lee

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    you don't think that 2018 is part of that equation? or minor additions as opposed to a big name FA?
    I think this hurts 2018 because instead of having Pau off the books completely (if 2018 was the plan) he is now on there for whatever salary he agrees too.

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    I think this hurts 2018 because instead of having Pau off the books completely (if 2018 was the plan) he is now on there for whatever salary he agrees too.
    that i would have to agree with. and even more so if that number comes in over 8 million.

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    Ugh, I have the same sinking feeling I had when Jefferson opted out.

    This is probably bad news.

    Pau and his corpse stinking up the Spurs roster for even more years, as he gets progressively worse and worse.

    Him shaving off 5 million next year to stiff around for another two is awful in two ways:

    A: The discount in 17-18 does jack nothing as far as helping sign meaningful free agents

    B:. screws with the future cap flexibility everyone seems so excited about.

    I just hope they do the right thing and renounce him.
    Then why would Spurs go this route? Gasol didn't just up and decide this on his own volition; he's clearly working in concert with them. With Jefferson, it was about ducking the tax. That's not a concern in this case. Clearly, they want to increase their flexibility now, which tells me they intend to upgrade PG and aren't enamored with '18 free agent class. Otherwise, they'd operate over cap, utilize Mills' Bird rights to re-sign him and have MLE at their disposal.

    With cap holds and sequencing required, I'm confused as to whether they actually have the $25M in cap space being reported, but if they do, that possibly gets them in the game for Paul (1+1, opt out after 1st year, sign 4 year max; "only" $10M short of what Clippers can offer), probably would for Holiday and definitely would for Hill.

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    The first steps for GM of the year for RC Buford. Do your magic Big Buford!!

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    The most logical thing is this: Pau & SA spoke about their off season plans and basically said we would like to keep you and this is the plan. However, in order to achieve this plan we have to have money. That is either going to come through a trade or you can opt out and give us flexibility.

    If we have to trade you, you don't have a say possibly in where you go. If you opt out, we will try to re-sign you but depending on who we get, we may need all that money. If we end up needing all the money at least you have a say in where you sign in free agency vs us being forced to trade you. But ideally, we can make other moves, accomplish our goals and give you security long term.

    It's just so damn hard to know what it means because it's nothing definitive other than SA has more flexibility (not accounting for the ability to trade Pau being gone) and that Pau has a say in where he plays guaranteed now.

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    Then why would Spurs go this route? Gasol didn't just up and decide this on his own volition; he's clearly working in concert with them. With Jefferson, it was about ducking the tax. That's not a concern in this case. Clearly, they want to increase their flexibility now, which tells me they intend to upgrade PG and aren't enamored with '18 free agent class. Otherwise, they'd operate over cap, utilize Mills' Bird rights to re-sign him and have MLE at their disposal.

    With cap holds and sequencing required, I'm confused as to whether they actually have the $25M in cap space being reported, but if they do, that possibly gets them in the game for Paul (1+1, opt out after 1st year, sign 4 year max; "only" $10M short of what Clippers can offer), probably would for Holiday and definitely would for Hill.
    that is what i tend to think, with CP3 being a long shot and george hill (who would have to agree to less as well), lowry or even rose as the more likely targets.

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    Forgot about Jefferson for a second there. What could have been with a skilled player with some nasty, what could have been man.

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    that is what i tend to think, with CP3 being a long shot and george hill (who would have to agree to less as well), lowry or even rose as the more likely targets.
    Heard Spurs aren't interested in Lowry, which is what I expected. Can't imagine they'd be interested in Rose.

    Hill wouldn't necessarily have to agree to less, but I don't think Spurs would be high bidder. If he's signed, they'll probably structure his contract with a partially guaranteed 4th season that makes him whole financially, but lowers average annual value/cap hit in first 3 seasons.

    If Paul re-signs with Clippers and Hayward signs with Celtics/Heat (Lowe thinks it's now a real possibility), I'd be surprised if Hill doesn't end up a Spur again.

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    Heard Spurs aren't interested in Lowry, which is what I expected. Can't imagine they'd be interested in Rose.

    Hill wouldn't necessarily have to agree to less, but I don't think Spurs would be high bidder. If he's signed, they'll probably structure his contract with a partially guaranteed 4th season that makes him whole financially, but lowers average annual value/cap hit in first 3 seasons.

    If Paul re-signs with Clippers and Hayward signs with Celtics/Heat (Lowe thinks it's now a real possibility), I'd be surprised if Hill doesn't end up a Spur again.
    that seems to follow what i heard from young a while ago. 1) he was adamant that the spurs, although high on murray, are intent on getting a PG, 2) that would likely not be CP3 and 3) hill was a strong possibility.

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    This is exactly what common sense calls for. Instead of ripping off the Spurs he can work out on a deal to free up cap space and realistically compete for a ring with limited time. He can still put some nice numbers for limited time so depending on what the salary end up being I can see this as beneficial to the Spurs

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