Woj: Pau Gasol to opt out and re-sign long-term with Spurs

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They found Simmons in the D-League, Patty for the min, Lee for the vet min, Dedmon with the room exception.

This front office is nails at finding undervalued talent and the staff is masterful at getting the most out of them.

I'm not worried about the Spurs filling out their roster with guys who can be successful. Bigger roles for Murray, Forbes (if retained) and Bertans should be expected regardless. Add guys like Hanga, vets that play for min to get rings, etc.

Dedmon started and was ultimately benched. The other guys did not start and they took time to develop.

We currently have a gaping hole at the 5 and trading Green leaves a gaping hole at the 2.

[DPG21920]

Gasol and Lee opting out. Reports of a strong mutual interest between Spurs and CP3. And the difficulty of dumping Parker unless we attach the 29th pick, not to mention, the uproar that would be caused by dumping a franchise PG. I could be wrong, of course. I just don't see the Spurs operating that way.

Dumping Green then to make a run at CP3 is the most logical move to make.

Look, I don't think it's any less of a "hit" by stretching TP vs trading him. Either way he's off the team

[BillMc]

Better than Deadman</3, tbh....

Thanks for sacrificing that money for the good of the team, MVPau

This

[AFBlue]

Dedmon started and was ultimately benched. The other guys did not start and they took time to develop.

We currently have a gaping hole at the 5 and trading Green leaves a gaping hole at the 2.

Next to three all-star/all-NBA type players. They'll be alright.

[DPG21920]

Oh, I think it's enough for Brooklyn. I think it's too steep for the Spurs, when they could stretch. Obviously you don't see it that way, but it makes me queasy giving up first round picks to dump an extra $5m.

It would be the difference in keeping Simmons maybe + not having any dead money for 2 years. To me, that is worth the 29th pick and CP3

[Uriel]

Look, I don't think it's any less of a "hit" by stretching TP vs trading him. Either way he's off the team

I agree that the smartest and most efficient way to go about this is to get rid of TP. But I just don't see the Spurs making that move.

[AFBlue]

Look, I don't think it's any less of a "hit" by stretching TP vs trading him. Either way he's off the team

Not gonna happen. No way they will trade Tony when they have a role player available for trade that can clear close to the same amount of cap space.

[DPG21920]

Say we dump Green and renounce all our free agents. Then use the max to sign Chris Paul. Wouldn't we then be able to bring back Gasol for the mini-MLE and fill the hole at SG with ring-chasing veterans at minimum contracts?

Yes. But why? I mean, SA might go that way, but if you move TP, you can keep Danny & Simmons. We also have to operate under two assumptions: Pau wants at least 5-8M & CP wants Max at 35M.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You don't have to trust me. You are just foolish and stubborn not to. Especially when I gave you a very specific example of a team that would have incentive (and why they have incentive) to do it.

Look up previous trades if you want.

I am not going to take a significant claim like that on an assertion and I certainly am not going to prove your assertion for you.

If it was so common you should be able to think of past examples.

What's foolish is taking a significant claim without seeing significant proof.

I don't buy Brooklyn at all. Your assertion that they cannot get FA to play there is specious. They may have to overpay but they can make two $8m offers who are more likely to contribute than the 29th pick where the hit rate is garbage. They also could try for a better offer to take on salary.

You said yourself that late firsts are worth 1/5th of that.

[DPG21920]

Not gonna happen. No way they will trade Tony when they have a role player available for trade that can clear close to the same amount of cap space.

He can't though. Danny clears 5M less than TP which is a big deal. Im not saying SA will trade TP, I'm just saying that it's sub optimal

[DPG21920]

I am not going to take a significant claim like that on an assertion and I certainly am not going to prove your assertion for you.

If it was so common you should be able to think of past examples.

What's foolish is taking a significant claim without seeing significant proof.

I don't buy Brooklyn at all. Your assertion that they cannot get FA to play there is specious. They may have to overpay but they can make two $8m offers who are more likely to contribute than the 29th pick where the hit rate is garbage. They also could try for a better offer to take on salary.

You said yourself that late firsts are worth 1/5th of that.

Ok. You know everything about every subject and I just make things up all the time and no one here thinks I know anything.

Congrats you win.....something?

[TimDunkem]

Sometimes, the most optimal option is not the one you're left with. TP is a Spurs legend and won't be waived or traded whether he sucks or not and regardless of how much cap space he holds.

[Mr. Body]

Sometimes, the most optimal option is not the one you're left with. TP is a Spurs legend and won't be waived or traded whether he sucks or not and regardless of how much cap space he holds.

This. Parker is going nowhere. Period.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok. You know everything about every subject and I just make things up all the time and no one here thinks I know anything.

Congrats you win.....something?

I never said I know everything and you should consider that comment with some introspection seeing that you are the one making the claim.

I know that late round picks are worth a few million and you are telling me that a team will take 5 times that much in cap space for one. Prima facie it's absurd. Cap space is more valuable than cash.

Further you are claiming it is common yet you cannot think of a single example. Then you put it on me to prove it for you. You don't get presumption. Deal with it.

[Uriel]

He can't though. Danny clears 5M less than TP which is a big deal. Im not saying SA will trade TP, I'm just saying that it's sub optimal

Sorry, but could you please clarify? How exactly does getting rid of TP instead of Green allow us to bring back Simmons? Because we wouldn't have to renounce his cap hold so we could bring him back using the Arenas rule?

[TimDunkem]

Also, what happens when a team inevitably offers Simmons a huge contract right away? How could the Spurs match and still get CP3?

[Uriel]

I never said I know everything and you should consider that comment with some introspection seeing that you are the one making the claim.

I know that late round picks are worth a few million and you are telling me that a team will take 5 times that much in cap space for one. Prima facie it's absurd. Cap space is more valuable than cash.

Further you are claiming it is common yet you cannot think of a single example. Then you put it on me to prove it for you. You don't get presumption. Deal with it.

Not exactly the same situation, but I seem to recall the Warriors taking on Richard Jefferson's contract in exchange for our 29th pick?

[DPG21920]

I never said I know everything and you should consider that comment with some introspection seeing that you are the one making the claim.

I know that late round picks are worth a few million and you are telling me that a team will take 5 times that much in cap space for one. Prima facie it's absurd. Cap space is more valuable than cash.

Further you are claiming it is common yet you cannot think of a single example. Then you put it on me to prove it for you. You don't get presumption. Deal with it.

[DPG21920]

Also, what happens when a team inevitably offers Simmons a huge contract right away? How could the Spurs match and still get CP3?

Spurs are only on the clock with Simmons once he signs. One would hope that he would not rush out and take an offer immediately.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sometimes, the most optimal option is not the one you're left with. TP is a Spurs legend and won't be waived or traded whether he sucks or not and regardless of how much cap space he holds.

I'm sorry but it is a business and the reality is that Parker has been overpaid for a few years now at his salary given his production. Given that he is going to miss at least half the season the smart business move is to try and use that cap space more efficiently.

This is not a situation where he was an underpaid superstar who got hurt. His skills have diminished severely and they are not screwing him over in the least if they cut him or trade him.

It's a hard decision but it's the optimal one to make.

[DPG21920]

Sorry, but could you please clarify? How exactly does getting rid of TP instead of Green allow us to bring back Simmons? Because we wouldn't have to renounce his cap hold so we could bring him back using the Arenas rule?

Exactly.

[BillMc]

Now.....RC.....Salary Dump Parker and your journey to my good side will be complete.

[TimDunkem]

I'm sorry but it is a business and the reality is that Parker has been overpaid for a few years now at his salary given his production. Given that he is going to miss at least half the season the smart business move is to try and use that cap space more efficiently.

This is not a situation where he was an underpaid superstar who got hurt. His skills have diminished severely and they are not screwing him over in the least if they cut him or trade him.

It's a hard decision but it's the optimal one to make.

I'm not saying it isn't optimal. I'm saying it's not likely the one they're actively pursuing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not exactly the same situation, but I seem to recall the Warriors taking on Richard Jefferson's contract in exchange for our 29th pick?

They traded Stephen Jackson for who was making $10m that year. The benefit was that Jackson's deal was shorter but that is not an analogous situation at all.

Plus could still play.

[DPG21920]

I guess Woj and others are just dummies and since they didn't cite, on command any examples, it means what they said is false:

http://thehoopdoctors.com/2017/05/br...and-prospects/