Woj: Pau Gasol to opt out and re-sign long-term with Spurs

[coachmac87]

It says picks AND prospects.

And sorry but the 29th pick is not a valuable asset. It's worth $3m not $15m.

The 29th is not going to make up for trading away their lottery picks.

Oh my bad...I left out Kyle Anderson

[TimDunkem]

I told you guys

It's crazy how you guys don't know how Pop and the FO operate.

Spurs are going to squeeze that old ass as much as they can. TP and Manu following the same path obviously

ST just never learns.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh my bad...I left out Kyle Anderson

Well certainly they will get a third team for that haul and we'll get a lottery pick.

[coachmac87]

Thanks for sharing that. Then it's not as good news as I thought.
I tend to get an ominous feeling about it now like objective.

Jabari pretty much stated Plan B...

[DPG21920]

Yeah, but the Spurs aren't "desperate to offload long-term money". We're talking about 1 year of salary for Tony vs. a 3 year stretch. I want to ask you a serious question, then I'm putting this to bed for the night.

You keep talking how the Spurs will have huge flexibility next season - and it's true. But you act like the $5M from stretching Tony would screw up the next two seasons' cap space. So much so that you would give up a first round pick to get rid of all of Tony's salary this year. So here's the question:

Would you give up Dejounte Murray, right now, to flush Tony's contract to Brooklyn? (Don't say "It depends on whether that $5m let them sign a max player" - we don't know that either way.) The point is, if you would give up this year's first round pick, why not last year's first round pick?

If the Spurs stretch Tony, they clear $10M in cap space this season. If they trade him, they clear $15M. The extra $5M hit next year wouldn't hurt as badly as missing out on another Murray caliber player at a cheap salary.

The 5M would hit for 2 years, not just one. I think it's a big deal. Dead money can really hurt teams and SA is still dealing with dead money from Tim.

The answer is yes. I would not trade Murray with the befefit of hindsight. But I would trade the 29th pick. I'm not saying SA will have any flexibility really next year - at least not big, if they are making moves this year. Im saying I don't want what flexibility they may have to be hampered by 5M in dead TP money for 2 years.

Would I give up Kyle Anderson, Livio Jean Charles, Blair? Yes. Tiago, Murray, TP, etc..no. But before the the draft pick is made there are expected values (even if sa is far better than the rest).

Is it debatable? For sure. But again, it's the expected value of 29 + Simmons + the fact Danny would still be on the team + 5M in cap space for two straight years I would be getting in this scenario.

[SAGirl]

Ugh, I have the same sinking feeling I had when Jefferson opted out.

This is probably bad news.

Pau and his corpse stinking up the Spurs roster for even more years, as he gets progressively worse and worse.

Him shaving off 5 million next year to stiff around for another two is awful in two ways:

A: The discount in 17-18 does jack nothing as far as helping sign meaningful free agents

B:. screws with the future cap flexibility everyone seems so excited about.

I just hope they do the right thing and renounce him.

Hmmm based on the comments from Jabari Young I guess I now expect a moderate PG addition and basically the same crew. Seems like Simmons is indeed going for the money and frankly we can't blame him. This is his payday and he may not get another like it.

Spurs practically standing pat but paying more for the same roster ... old guys getting older.

This is typical ... I shouldn't even feel disappointment.

[DPG21920]

TD can send feelers out through their friendship and Wake Forest connection, and be an unofficial conduit of communication. Much like Draymond did with Durant. League can't stop players/expplayers from talking. I guarantee Timmy has sent a text or two in Paul's direction, and I'm sure Pop and RC knows what CP3 told Timmy.

Oh I agree - I'm just not operating under the assumption though we know it happens *Paul George cough*

[DPG21920]

Dayum... what's up with ya'lls personal beef

There is no beef. There is a people who don't like Fuzzy (a lot) and him trying to come at me (which is dumb).

[DPG21920]

Thanks for sharing that. Then it's not as good news as I thought.
I tend to get an ominous feeling about it now like objective.

What does not make sense (to me) with this logic is that Pau opting out doesn't help SA keep their own players. SA has Mills & Simmons rights. SA can go over cap to sign them. Why would Pau take a pay cut to save SA ownership money when they aren't improving their team?

I mean, him taking less money gives SA what money (if he's signing for 8M for example) to sign what level of PG?

[DPG21920]

I think his analysis is about as facile as possible but that is besides the point.

That a team would take on a $15m contract for a late round first is a significant claim. Past history has shown that a late round pick is worth around $3m. I am asking for proof and he won't give any telling me that I am a fool for not buying it.

Significant claims require significant proof.

You're citing my 3M value (that you somehow trust) but not the other part of what I and Woj said. K.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is no beef. There is a people who don't like Fuzzy (a lot) and him trying to come at me (which is dumb).

I don't feel I am coming at you. We were having a conversation about the Spurs options and you laid out a specious claim about teams taking on TP's salary for the 29th pick.

There is no reason beyond blind faith to believe what you are saying. Apparently me not giving you presumption is coming at you but you are the one calling me pigheaded.

[AFBlue]

Hmmm based on the comments from Jabari Young I guess I now expect a moderate PG addition and basically the same crew. Seems like Simmons is indeed going for the money and frankly we can't blame him. This is his payday and he may not get another like it.

Spurs practically standing pat but paying more for the same roster ... old guys getting older.

This is typical ... I shouldn't even feel disappointment.

The Spurs FO didn't ask Pau to opt out so they could go after George Hill. They are most definitely going to make a pitch to CP3, and it's clear they have a plan in place to make a compelling offer.

Whether they succeed is a different story. But make no mistake, this was about lining things up to make a run at the best PG on the market...nothing short of it.

[GSH]

I think his analysis is about as facile as possible but that is besides the point.

That a team would take on a $15m contract for a late round first is a significant claim. Past history has shown that a late round pick is worth around $3m. I am asking for proof and he won't give any telling me that I am a fool for not buying it.

Significant claims require significant proof.

I think he's right on this one, Fuzzy. They have announced that they have the room to take bad contracts in exchange for players and/or picks. Future picks are always so damned protected that it's either going to be fairly low in the first, or fall to a second rounder because the first rounder was protected. (That happens all the time - makes me crazy.) Boston (for instance) has a load of picks stockpiled, but a number of them are going to be protected. A lot of those protected first round picks, you might as well just call second round picks, because that's what they are going to turn into.

You guys already talked about them having to make the floor anyway. I'm pretty sure they could take the trade and turn right around and waive/stretch him. For them, getting a known first round pick this season is probably about as good as they will get - or at least close. I don't think anyone is going to give them a lottery pick to take a contract from them. So there are only so many slots between that and the Spurs first round pick. The list is pretty short. Maybe someone will offer them a low first and a prospect? Maybe.

[coachmac87]

The Spurs FO didn't ask Pau to opt out so they could go after George Hill. They are most definitely going to make a pitch to CP3, and it's clear they have a plan in place to make a compelling offer.

Whether they succeed is a different story. But make no mistake, this was about lining things up to make a run at the best PG on the market...nothing short of it.

Ding Dong the witch is dead....

[DAF86]

Stop it with all these useless cap space gymnastics. If the Spurs want to get Paul, the best thing they can do is to trade Aldridge. In fact, even if they don't get Paul the best thing they can do is to trade Aldridge, tbh.

[DPG21920]

I don't feel I am coming at you. We were having a conversation about the Spurs options and you laid out a specious claim about teams taking on TP's salary for the 29th pick.

There is no reason beyond blind faith to believe what you are saying. Apparently me not giving you presumption is coming at you but you are the one calling me pigheaded.

You can keep calling it specious because you dont understand it, but that does not make it true.

You can say you aren't coming at me, even though others are calling you out for it, that doesn't make it reality.

It's not blind faith - it's understanding the NBA and seeing that it's been done before plenty of times and that it's not some wild claim that you make it out to be.

[AFBlue]

I don't feel I am coming at you. We were having a conversation about the Spurs options and you laid out a specious claim about teams taking on TP's salary for the 29th pick.

There is no reason beyond blind faith to believe what you are saying. Apparently me not giving you presumption is coming at you but you are the one calling me pigheaded.

What's funny is that y'all are arguing over which permutation of a scenario is more likely for a scenario that has almost no chance of happening.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're citing my 3M value (that you somehow trust) but not the other part of what I and Woj said. K.

TimVP is the one that bandied around that number several years ago. I actually expect it has gone up given cap inflation. I trust him but he also backs up his claims. You don't.

Woj said that they would take on picks and prospects. It did not say what thresholds or values were involved. That is why I asked you to quote the portion of the article you felt indicated the nets would take on TPs deal for the 29th pick.

All you did was link it. That is precisely the type of facile analysis I have come to expect from you.

[DPG21920]

[TimDunkem]

Welp, this thread is dead.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What's funny is that y'all are arguing over which permutation of a scenario is more likely for a scenario that has almost no chance of happening.

I agree that the Nets are unlikely to take that deal. We are not arguing over what will happen but rather what the options are.

We have no idea what the Spurs think about TP's deal. I'm not going to front that I know what PATFO are thinking.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You can keep calling it specious because you dont understand it, but that does not make it true.

You can say you aren't coming at me, even though others are calling you out for it, that doesn't make it reality.

It's not blind faith - it's understanding the NBA and seeing that it's been done before plenty of times and that it's not some wild claim that you make it out to be.

What do I not understand. Be specific.

And who is calling me out? The post in question works both ways, dim.

[AFBlue]

Stop it with all these useless cap space gymnastics. If the Spurs want to get Paul, the best thing they can do is to trade Aldridge. In fact, even if they don't get Paul the best thing they can do is to trade Aldridge, tbh.

Will only happen if they get a legit talent in return. Not sure of the cap implications, but the Porzingis thing peaked my interest. Aldridge and pick #29? Doubt that gets it done.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think he's right on this one, Fuzzy. They have announced that they have the room to take bad contracts in exchange for players and/or picks. Future picks are always so damned protected that it's either going to be fairly low in the first, or fall to a second rounder because the first rounder was protected. (That happens all the time - makes me crazy.) Boston (for instance) has a load of picks stockpiled, but a number of them are going to be protected. A lot of those protected first round picks, you might as well just call second round picks, because that's what they are going to turn into.

You guys already talked about them having to make the floor anyway. I'm pretty sure they could take the trade and turn right around and waive/stretch him. For them, getting a known first round pick this season is probably about as good as they will get - or at least close. I don't think anyone is going to give them a lottery pick to take a contract from them. So there are only so many slots between that and the Spurs first round pick. The list is pretty short. Maybe someone will offer them a low first and a prospect? Maybe.

I am sure they would take TPs contract but it would take more than just the 29th pick. Teams can trade players too.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I think his analysis is about as facile as possible but that is besides the point.

That a team would take on a $15m contract for a late round first is a significant claim. Past history has shown that a late round pick is worth around $3m. I am asking for proof and he won't give any telling me that I am a fool for not buying it.

Significant claims require significant proof.

Doesn't Philly have a history of doing this? I remember them making several transactions over the past several years to try to reach the salary floor. I'm pretty sure they made a trade with Denver under similar cir stances- taking on McGee's huge contract to reach the floor and receiving a later first round pick to do so. I don't remember all of the specifics, but while it will be virtually impossible to find an exact replica of DPG's proposed trade I think that this is at least in the same ballpark.