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Provided Tony misses the full season, the insurance will pay 80 percent of his salary for 49/82 games. Very conveniently, that comes out to just under half his total salary. So no, the acquiring team would still have to pay several million bucks. But it would not by all that much. And if you add in teams being under the floor, Parker's deal would save a ton of money.
However, Parker's likely to be back before insurance can save more than a couple million.
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So by this count, 7,17 milion of his salary would be covered. If team is under the cap floor, they can't trade him late as expiring ? They have to keep him till the end, right ? So 29th pick would be worth 8,33 mil for Nets in real money, if Parker misses full year.
Floor is around 87 mil. Nets with added 15,5 mil would be nowhere close to that sum. But if they can add 15,5 mil in salaries for 8,33 mil and get the pick, why wouldn't they do that ? Same for Sacramento ?
What's your real take on this Pau move Chinook.
Originally I was excited. I have wanted the Spurs to improve and add someone... this was a clear step in that direction.
Then all this Jabari Young talk about Spurs in reality wanting to keep their crew and add a PG but not CP3 (cant be much of an addition if they are any to keep most of their crew....) Maybe G.Hill?
My speculation: they mean to keep their young core. They don't want to have to include a pick or any of their youngsters: Murray, Anderson or Bertans... they want to keep them. Ideally they want to keep Simmons too and consider him a part of their younger up and comers (he is looking for the big ticket though and thus uncertain)... my guess is that in trying to improve their roster the would want to not trade a youngster...
Then hopefully they want to keep the old core they already have. thus they want Manu back, they'd like to not dump TOny... etc. May even want Pau back for his veteran presence too.
What can they realistically do with renouncing Mills ( he does want a payday and getting a FA PG while having TP, Murray and FoRbes signals his exit from SA. He has flamed out two postseasons in a row.) Add to that an assumption Pau is back in a 2 year deal again.
My guess, SA GIRL, if and when Spurs miss out on CP, they will look for 2018. They will give Gasol a two year 20 mil dollar deal, with the final year being partially guaranteed of 6mil. I still think Hill will command close to 20mil, so unsure how that will work. We can only offer Simmons 8 mil. I think we offer that for 3 years? They will ask LMA and Green to opt out next year and sign longer deals for smaller coin. Parker contact goes off the books and depends how he plays, he will get a small one year contract and re-up Bertans, while they evaluate Anderson and Forbes.
It doesn't happen in the beginning of free agency.
All of those deals happened after halfway through the season. ie at the deadline and after they could not find a better deal.
And since when is a deal every other year "all the time." Sure when you are going to be paying anyway might as well get to the floor and get something but there is no reason to eat our dog immediately cause we want them to.
Times are different. You either arm up or tank. Good luck with spending 100 mil and battle for playoff spot and not pissing off your fan base.
The Spurs should try in earnest to dump TPs ty contract in the next 10 days. If they cannot then they should stretch it and move on. Waiting for the trade deadline for some team under the floor to get desperate is a ty idea.
My guess is they're trying to open some cap space to go after a FA, but not Paul or another max one - someone cheaper. I don't believe for one second that they'd dump or stretch Parker and Gasol getting a new deal from cap space would kill any chance for Chris Paul, barring a massive discount. Think Patty is gone if they can land their target and Simmons would likely be back, unless he gets a ridiculous offer. Then Manu for the min or room if he doesn't retire.
Obviously they seem to like the 2017 market better than the 2018 one, which is understandable.
That`s my thought. If Parker is not moved, Gasol opting out is worthless.
I know about loyalty but keeping Parker and waiting till January 2018 to see if he is a shade of his former self will not help this team. Got to trade the contract for a pick or something to get cap space. Parker can always finish his career as a Spur down the road. It's tough but Spurs need to get better and it's time to move on.
I think Pau could have been traded. The Spurs supposedly engaged the Knicks in trade talks. Say for a second that the reports are true. Pau would be an interesting piece for Phil, given their history. I'm not necessarily saying that he'd be a big piece in a KP trade. But maybe he'd be there to use to trade up for the eighth pick. I don't believe Pau opted out to re-sign a big deal at the Spurs' behest. However, it's possible that the team can still be trying to make internal moves while also needing space. After all, if they want to bring Dedmon back, they'll need a salary slot to do so. The same is true if they want to give Simmons a flat deal larger than the MLE.
What people have to understand is that these opt-outs had to happen. The Spurs can give Pau his money back on a one-year if they never sign a big name. But Pau can't later choose to opt out if they need the space in two weeks. It was now or never.
Almost all trades happen around the deadline. Very few deals involving vet players happen during the draft. You're correct that teams aren't usually eager to take on salary in the off-season, but that's often because they've already done so at the deadline.
The important thing here is that late-firsts are more valuable than they have ever been. That's why the Spurs could turn 29 or whatever it was in 2011 into shedding a season of Jefferson. That's why the Nets and Lakers had to take on extra salary and give up a rotation player for their late picks. That's why Houston got the Lakers to pay Lin $15 Million a couple of summers ago to eat Lin's deal. The Cavs and Warriors both dropped huge coin on second-rounders, with Cleveland giving up $3 Million for the 54th slot.
Your evaluation scale is just way off if you think Parker would need more than $29 Million to move, especially considering that he will have value again before the deadline or will have half his salary covered by insurance.
the other thing about Parker is that if he's traded to a bad team, he becomes a buyout candidate if he comes back in Jan-Feb and wants to go to a contender to try and prove himself or get revenge. So the team that initially trades for him might not even be on the hook for the full $ even if insurance picks up zero.
If you land Paul... then keeping Aldridge is a must.
He's spent 2 years transforming into a defensive anchor lol...
And being the third option would ease up the pressure on his game, and Chris Paul is a magician at probing and getting ppl looks.
The synergy between Kl La and Cp is a dazzling possibility.
And then with Danny Green being able to just focus on spot up shooting and defense, the same with Pau Gasol, and even Bertans for a mobile stretch big that plays off the ball.
Paul really would enhance everything.
Plus if nothing is there, he can go get his own buckets.
And then you factor in the, grizzled vet angle dying to win a ring...
Barring injury I see us destroying the Warriors.
We would be able to control tempo, play elite defense, bomb from the outside, iso to death, or just attack the weakness with power.
Simmons is really not necessary... Kyle Anderson could fill the role but differently.
Keep Mills tho. He gets to go back to being a microwave, with stronger Pg skills than before.
Last edited by Yuixafun; 06-21-2017 at 06:53 AM.
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I said it above - it's always a lot more likely that the Spurs are doing something plain vanilla. The ugly thing is that the Spurs probably have to clear some space just to do that.
And just for the record, Fuzzy, I wasn't blowing you a good night kiss. I was saying that the thought of Tony being here till he's 40 ought to keep you up at night.
They probably won't. More likely Tony will be here until he's 40.
Sleep well.
Yeah, they are probably making room just to resign Mills, Simmons and Dedmon.
I just don't see how, with things currently constructed the "plan" is for Pau to take less money to re-sign their own team. Again, Pau could have kept all his money and the Spurs had the MLE and been in the same exact spot (if we are assuming Pau is getting re-signed).
I think, like Chinook said, that might end up happening, but that is because there was a date for Pau to decline option and no turning back if he did not. They have bigger plans, but it's whether or not they actually work out. Much like how with Duncan, there was no "set" number many of the times. It was "how much do you need based on what happens"
I'm not sure why you wrote that post (I haven't read through the entire thread) ...but this is the article I thought about when I said Spurs could/would salary dump Parker and Green.
Last edited by tmtcsc; 06-21-2017 at 09:30 AM.
Heh. It doesn't make sense because we all want something big to happen. How may seasons have we pulled up our chairs, waited for 4th of July fireworks, and they hand out sparklers?
Only 4 teams' fans got to the conference finals this year, and we were one of them. That's pretty damned good, I guess. They'll probably find a way to get there again this year, or close, by holding steady. We speculate every year about big deals. And mostly it's summer re-runs.
All excellent points except Pop ain't bringing Deadman back.
It's not unprecedented. They did it with Sean Elliott and Brent Barry, both fan favorites who ended up coming back to team. They also shipped championship cornerstone Bruce Bowen to basketball purgatory (aka Milwaukee), basically sending him to an early retirement. As we are all aware, two of those three names are now hanging in the rafters.
I was told that their was language in Pau's contract that made it difficult for him to be traded. I have no idea if it was a trade-kicker payment or something else.
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