Woj: Pau Gasol to opt out and re-sign long-term with Spurs

[rjv]

Right. I can't see the Spurs trading Tony though, if only because he's a franchise icon. All signs point to the Spurs salary dumping Danny Green as their next big move.

green would be the only route i would envision as well. i just don't see the spurs dumping parker, especially under the current cir stances.

[rjv]

The Spurs FO didn't ask Pau to opt out so they could go after George Hill. They are most definitely going to make a pitch to CP3, and it's clear they have a plan in place to make a compelling offer.

Whether they succeed is a different story. But make no mistake, this was about lining things up to make a run at the best PG on the market...nothing short of it.

i think the spurs FO will give what they can to make themselves at least have a chance at getting CP3 with the expectation that this likely won't happen. and from there, i think they have a supplemental plan that they feel is the most likely one to pan out. again though, it's a dynamic situation that can change based on events that the spurs FO has no control over. it's trying to manage chaos as best as you can.

[Capt Bringdown]

Flush this turd from the turdbowl. His game has suc bed to father time, there's no use in trying to dodge that doubt.

[sasaint]

My guess is they're trying to open some cap space to go after a FA, but not Paul or another max one - someone cheaper. I don't believe for one second that they'd dump or stretch Parker and Gasol getting a new deal from cap space would kill any chance for Chris Paul, barring a massive discount. Think Patty is gone if they can land their target and Simmons would likely be back, unless he gets a ridiculous offer. Then Manu for the min or room if he doesn't retire.

Obviously they seem to like the 2017 market better than the 2018 one, which is understandable.

I agree. They will flirt with Paul. But the goal is to re-sign GHill - especially now that it looks like some teams in need of PGs may have found their answer (BKY and Philly).

[sasaint]

It's not unprecedented. They did it with Sean Elliott and Brent Barry, both fan favorites who ended up coming back to team. They also shipped championship cornerstone Bruce Bowen to basketball purgatory (aka Milwaukee), basically sending him to an early retirement. As we are all aware, two of those three names are now hanging in the rafters.

As I observe the Spurs' constellation, none of those guys shines as brightly as Tony. Sean and Bowen shine fairly brightly but Brent is fairly dim compared to Tony.

[DPG21920]

Heh. It doesn't make sense because we all want something big to happen. How may seasons have we pulled up our chairs, waited for 4th of July fireworks, and they hand out sparklers?

Only 4 teams' fans got to the conference finals this year, and we were one of them. That's pretty damned good, I guess. They'll probably find a way to get there again this year, or close, by holding steady. We speculate every year about big deals. And mostly it's summer re-runs.

Take out any wishes and evaluate simply the math on keeping the same teams. Explain just using that assumption how it helps Pau to opt out.

[SAGirl]

I think Pau could have been traded. The Spurs supposedly engaged the Knicks in trade talks. Say for a second that the reports are true. Pau would be an interesting piece for Phil, given their history. I'm not necessarily saying that he'd be a big piece in a KP trade. But maybe he'd be there to use to trade up for the eighth pick. I don't believe Pau opted out to re-sign a big deal at the Spurs' behest. However, it's possible that the team can still be trying to make internal moves while also needing space. After all, if they want to bring Dedmon back, they'll need a salary slot to do so. The same is true if they want to give Simmons a flat deal larger than the MLE.

What people have to understand is that these opt-outs had to happen. The Spurs can give Pau his money back on a one-year if they never sign a big name. But Pau can't later choose to opt out if they need the space in two weeks. It was now or never.

Good point.
Thanks for sharing.
I take it they have several plans in motion including the toughest: convincing CP3.
If/when that fails they move down the list to plan B. Which may be the most likely, the one J.Young cited.

[Dex]

As I observe the Spurs' constellation, none of those guys shines as brightly as Tony. Sean and Bowen shine fairly brightly but Brent is fairly dim compared to Tony.

True, but Sean, Bowen, and Barry were actually healthy and they still got sent out. Tony is on the wrong side of 35, fresh off a possibly career ending injury, and won't be available for half the season when the Spurs are in win-now mode (or at least should be to appease Kawhi).

I agree that the Spurs will probably stay loyal to Parker in the long run, but I also don't think that the FO isn't at least considering the options.

[MaNu4Tres]

You guys are forgetting the fact that Spurs let Avery go as well. Avery wanted to finish his career as a Spur but Spurs didn't want to pay Avery what he wanted to be paid, so he left and signed in Denver.

Not to mention, Pop was willing to let David walk if C-Webb had committed to SA in summer of 01'. Chris Webber was close to becoming a Spur that summer.

[kaji157]

Cp3 will no be the only option at PG, given the huge amount of PG's that will be taken in the top 20 of the draft i would not be surprised if other teams try to move their starting PG's so that they can grow their younger prospects.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You guys are forgetting the fact that Spurs let Avery go as well. Avery wanted to finish his career as a Spur but Spurs didn't want to pay Avery what he wanted to be paid, so he left and signed in Denver.

Not to mention, Pop was willing to let David walk if C-Webb had committed to SA in summer of 01'. Chris Webber was close to becoming a Spur that summer.

Wasn't D-Rob also going to be traded to Vancouver at one point?

[Drom John]

2016-2017
Win Shares

1. James Harden • HOU 15.0
2. Rudy Gobert • UTA 14.3
3. Jimmy Butler • CHI 13.8
4. Kawhi Leonard • SAS 13.6
5. Russell Westbrook • OKC 13.1
6. LeBron James • CLE 12.9
7. Karl-Anthony Towns • MIN 12.7
8. Stephen Curry • GSW 12.6
9. Isaiah Thomas • BOS 12.6
10. Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL 12.4
11. Kevin Durant • GSW 12.0
12. DeAndre Jordan • LAC 11.8
13. Anthony Davis • NOP 11.0
14. Chris Paul • LAC 10.6
15. Gordon Hayward • UTA 10.4
16. Damian Lillard • POR 10.3
17. Kyle Lowry • TOR 10.1
18. Mike Conley • MEM 10.0
19. Nikola Jokic • DEN 9.7
20. Hassan Whiteside • MIA 9.5

2016-2017 Playoff
Win Shares

4.3 LeBron James
3.4 Stephen Curry
3.1 Kevin Durant
2.8 Kawhi Leonard
2.4 Draymond Green
2.1 Al Horford, Kevin Love
2.0 Kyrie Irving
1.8 Tristan Thompson
1.5 Otto Porter
1.1 John Wall
1.3 Jae Crowder, James Harden, Chris Paul

Passes the eye test.

I speculate that Gasol's opting out came with an agreed minimum contract based on Plan A. If Plan B or lower, then Gasol's contract gets bigger.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Almost all trades happen around the deadline. Very few deals involving vet players happen during the draft. You're correct that teams aren't usually eager to take on salary in the off-season, but that's often because they've already done so at the deadline.

The important thing here is that late-firsts are more valuable than they have ever been. That's why the Spurs could turn 29 or whatever it was in 2011 into shedding a season of Jefferson. That's why the Nets and Lakers had to take on extra salary and give up a rotation player for their late picks. That's why Houston got the Lakers to pay Lin $15 Million a couple of summers ago to eat Lin's deal. The Cavs and Warriors both dropped huge coin on second-rounders, with Cleveland giving up $3 Million for the 54th slot.

Your evaluation scale is just way off if you think Parker would need more than $29 Million to move, especially considering that he will have value again before the deadline or will have half his salary covered by insurance.

What glorious pedantic pseudo-expertise you have, my dear. You need to be careful or you are going to to get dizzy talking around the issue.

Right now cap space is more valuable than at any time of the year as in the next 3 weeks the lions share of quality free agents will be signed. We are talking about clearing space for making a run at free agents after all. Do try and keep up.

All of your examples are teams desperate to reach the floor and get something for it and taking what they can get at the deadline. Sure first rounders are worth more. . . . in February when teams choose that or getting no return on spending to the floor at all.

OTOH, we are talking about now when those same teams know that teams like the Spurs really really want to clear space. The trade deadline is 9 months from now.

There is a way that the Spurs can get over $35m in space and retain the QOs to Patty and Simmons by simply stretching TPs ty contract. Would getting some team to eat it for 29 so we have $40+m be better? Sure and they should try to do so but expecting that a team is going to eat our before the deadline when they have no choice is a pipe dream.

Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Not.

[Chinook]

What glorious pedantic pseudo-expertise ... [blah blah blah]

Damn it, Fuzz, you just can't talk to people, can you?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Damn it, Fuzz, you just can't talk to people, can you?

You should look at how you wrote to me. And you did drop a bunch of irrelevant points to try and appear knowledgeable. It's pretty common frankly.

Now you can make it about me if you like but we went through this before a couple of years ago with the Aldridge speculation that you kept on telling me I was stupid to think it possible. I did just guess on the ter contract though because the salaries lined up so nicely.

Your examples still are all from the deadline and we aren't at the deadline. You going to address it or you just going to whine because I am not nice? On this board.

[tonight...you]

You should look at how you wrote to me. And you did drop a bunch of irrelevant points to try and appear knowledgeable. It's pretty common frankly.

Now you can make it about me if you like but we went through this before a couple of years ago with the Aldridge speculation that you kept on telling me I was stupid to think it possible. I did just guess on the ter contract though because the salaries lined up so nicely.

Your examples still are all from the deadline and we aren't at the deadline. You going to address it or you just going to whine because I am not nice? On this board.

Ha ha ha! I like both you guys and like it even more when you two quibble. Keep it going!
DPG also...

[Chinook]

You should look at how you wrote to me. And you did drop a bunch of irrelevant points to try and appear knowledgeable. It's pretty common frankly.

Now you can make it about me if you like but we went through this before a couple of years ago with the Aldridge speculation that you kept on telling me I was stupid to think it possible. I did just guess on the ter contract though because the salaries lined up so nicely.

Your examples still are all from the deadline and we aren't at the deadline. You going to address it or you just going to whine because I am not nice? On this board.

It's more that you're a quivering vagina than anything else. You can't go more than two posts with someone you disagree with before you go all Fuzzy with stupid like "You're disseminating" "You're being pedantic." It's just ty and silly, and it's just terrible to talk to you.

You didn't have a good point. First-rounders have more value than they used to. Even if they didn't, the increased cap (almost double since the last time a first was sold for cash), would still lead to appreciation. The Lin trade wasn't about the salary floor for any team. It was about the pick. Giving up a rotation player AND eating $8-10 Million was about the pick. Back in the day, you didn't used to have to give up that much to grab a late-first. Now you do.

Just to give you some advice, saying, "You were wrong in a prediction years ago" (disregarding that you're lying out of your ass), "so that means you can't look at past events and say what happened" is about the worst use of an ad hominem I've ever heard.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's more that you're a quivering vagina than anything else. You can't go more than two posts with someone you disagree with before you go all Fuzzy with stupid like "You're disseminating" "You're being pedantic." It's just ty and silly, and it's just terrible to talk to you.

You didn't have a good point. First-rounders have more value than they used to. Even if they didn't, the increased cap (almost double since the last time a first was sold for cash), would still lead to appreciation. The Lin trade wasn't about the salary floor for any team. It was about the pick. Giving up a rotation player AND eating $8-10 Million was about the pick. Back in the day, you didn't used to have to give up that much to grab a late-first. Now you do.

Just to give you some advice, saying, "You were wrong in a prediction years ago" (disregarding that you're lying out of your ass), "so that means you can't look at past events and say what happened" is about the worst use of an ad hominem I've ever heard.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's more that you're a quivering vagina than anything else. You can't go more than two posts with someone you disagree with before you go all Fuzzy with stupid like "You're disseminating" "You're being pedantic." It's just ty and silly, and it's just terrible to talk to you.

You didn't have a good point. First-rounders have more value than they used to. Even if they didn't, the increased cap (almost double since the last time a first was sold for cash), would still lead to appreciation. The Lin trade wasn't about the salary floor for any team. It was about the pick. Giving up a rotation player AND eating $8-10 Million was about the pick. Back in the day, you didn't used to have to give up that much to grab a late-first. Now you do.

Just to give you some advice, saying, "You were wrong in a prediction years ago" (disregarding that you're lying out of your ass), "so that means you can't look at past events and say what happened" is about the worst use of an ad hominem I've ever heard.

So you're not going to address that we are not at the deadline and the current value of cap space. And you want to call me a "vagina." Introspection leads to irony in this case so I can see why you would avoid it.

As for Lin:

1) This is new as he was not one of your previous 3 examples.
2) The Lakers started Lin initially that year and he signed a $12m AAV when he left. Taking on Lin was more than just eating salary as he had value as a player. You can argue they misevaluated but they started him those first 20 games.
3) The Lakers were only on the hook for half of that contract value.
4) teams are not going to expect Parker coming off a serious knee injury is going to contribute next season.
5) It was a first and second to make the deal and the first was better than 29.

You cannot look at the Lin deal and expect a team to take on a player that will not help at all, will take up twice as much cap space, and return a lesser haul.

People can decide for themselves but we had eerily similar exchanges 2 years ago about acquiring Aldridge where you made a bunch of false equivalencies and based most of your argument on insulting me. You were wrong then. Overall your value as a predictive analyst is .

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sick burn right. . . .

[DPG21920]

The fact Fuzzy does not realize how he comes off is incredible.

Especially towards posters that have been here for years and proven to have a way more intimate knowledge of the CBA than him

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The fact Fuzzy does not realize how he comes off is incredible.

Especially towards posters that have been here for years and proven to have a way more intimate knowledge of the CBA than him

What I find amusing is how much of a tizzy i get you fools into. What your too dim to fathom is I don't care how I "come across" to you.

And that second part is exactly the same kind of horse I heard two years ago when I said it would be easy to free up room to make a run at Aldridge.

You have no credibility "grit and grind" outside of your circle jerk.

[DPG21920]

The good news (whether by luck or design) is this is shaping up to be a great year for teams looking to add a PG in free agency.

Many of the bad teams with money are trading for lottery level PGs and taking themselves out of the FA pool. On top of that there is a solid enough crop of apparently available PGs: CP, Lowry, Jrue, Bev, Hill, etc.

Also GS has everyone scrambling and teams are shaking things up

[DPG21920]

What I find amusing is how much of a tizzy i get you fools into.

And that second part is exactly the same kind of horse I heard two years ago when I said it would be easy to free up room to make a run at Aldridge.

You have no credibility "grit and grind" outside of your circle jerk.

Why are you acting like you were some lone wolf on the LMA thing ? Many of us even called the Tiago to ATL trade as a means to get space.

You aren't as smart as you think you are - don't have a good understanding of the CBA (although to your credit you're getting better and try to look up rules).

How about instead of being annoying you just be a bit nicer to interact with?

[Chinook]

Why are you acting like you were some lone wolf on the LMA thing ? Many of us even called the Tiago to ATL trade as a means to get space.

You aren't as smart as you think you are - don't have a good understanding of the CBA (although to your credit you're getting better and try to look up rules).

How about instead of being annoying you just be a bit nicer to interact with?

It's just hilarious that he thinks bragging about how easy it would be to make salary dump in 2015 means that it would be hard to do so in 2017. Nobody thought Splitter would be hard to dump. Dudes were talking him up for lottery picks on other boards. If anything, people might have not wanted to dump him over Diaw.