Spurs vs. Warriors FO

[rasuo214]

If Draymond Green played for any team but the Warriors, no one would know him. It seems that everyone who plays with the warriors are allowed to get away with the most blatant . David West was doing this year that was getting him quick fouls last year playing with us. Same with Pachulla. Green is among the league leaders in fouls and those are just the ones they call. Put Deaundre Jordan on the Warriors and his fouls would decrease by 25%. Every few years, the league picks a team they want to promote and let get away with everything. Remember some years ago when Lebron went 3 games straight without committing a foul? How the does that happen?

I don't know if no one would know about him but he probably wouldn't be nearly as well regarded (viewed as a top 10-20 player). I think Bell is a great fit for them because he doesn't need to do anything offensively and the Warriors can utilize his strengths while hiding his weaknesses (they made Javale McGee look great).


When it comes to the Spurs vs Warriors it's basically player development vs utilization/roster development. Spurs have been great at developing players, while the Warriors have been great at finding players that fit what they need and utilizing their strengths.

[Mikeanaro]

It's not just about the players, it's the principle..even after all their recent success, they've still consistently looked to improve their team every year, even something as trivial as buying a 2nd round pick..

They won 73 games, yet still recruited Kevin Durant to join them

They won 73 games and lost the finals, thats why they went to Durbeta and won 67 games, not 82.

[cjw]

They won 73 games and lost the finals, thats why they went to Durbeta and won 67 games, not 82.

They actually won 83 games in '16-17 and have the last laugh, and the gate receipts from losing one game to Cleveland paid for Jordan Bell and then some

Lost 15 regular season plus one on the playoffs = 16 this year
Lost 9 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 4 last year = 18 last year

So despite no Durant for a month or so, they still decreased their loss total

[Mikeanaro]

This thread is re ed, GSW is looking good because their starters are in their primes and do all the heavy work, plus the ref .
OKC had great picks and now is sinking like the anic.
Would love to see what GSWFO can do when his starters are getting older.

[Mikeanaro]

They actually won 83 games last year and have the last laugh, and the gate receipts from losing one game to Cleveland paid for Jordan Bell and then some

Lost 15 regular season plus one on the playoffs = 16 this year
Lost 9 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 4 last year = 18 last year

So despite no Durant for a month or so, they still decreased their loss total

There is no laugh in losing the finals when you have a 73 win team, plus who the is Jordan Bell?

[cjw]

This thread is re ed, GSW is looking good because their starters are in their primes and do all the heavy work, plus the ref .
OKC had great picks and now is sinking like the anic.
Would love to see what GSWFO can do when his starters are getting older.

This. A lot easier to look good when you have three of the top shooters in the league on your roster. They benefited significantly from sucking a while after the fun 2007 team and getting lottery picks. Spurs haven't drafted inside of 20 since 1997. Twenty years!

There is no laugh in losing the finals when you have a 73 win team, plus who the is Jordan Bell?

I meant they had the last laughs this year. 67+16=83. Takes 16 wins to win le.

Confusing usage of this/last. Should clarify 16-17 and 15-16. Sorry

[SAGirl]

Kyle Anderson was a better and younger prospect when he was drafted. We should bump that draft thread to see how excited everyone was.

Got triple doubles in college... got his team to the Ncaa sweet sixteen. He's a winner... won in the dleague summer league and will be winning in the NBA when given chances. Gets too much here uncessarily. It's nit like h didn't he show up in the playoffs when given chances.

[Mikeanaro]

This. A lot easier to look good when you have three of the top shooters in the league on your roster. They benefited significantly from sucking a while after the fun 2007 team and getting lottery picks. Spurs haven't drafted inside of 20 since 1997. Twenty years!

And there is the fact that is a watered down league, Spurs did the right picks and had results vs Superlakers, Dallas, Phoenix, Pistons, Nets when they were in their primes.
GSW warriors faced injured teams 9 out of 12 times, and most were crappy anyway, easier to win when there is no compe ion, thats great for couch potato millennials because they watch all those wins in their smart phones!

[SAGirl]

I'm not saying Bell won't be a good player or that he doesn't have potential but they aren't really the same type of player, other than both are undersized, good defenders with a good work ethic.

The knock against Draymond was that he was too small, not athletic enough and had limited upside/potential.

Draymond:

Strengths: The ultimate "Glue Guy", Green's strongest asset is his ability to contribute across the board ... He has a substantial wingspan with a strong frame, and is unafraid to bang with bigger bodies ... Good-looking shooter when his feet are set and he catches/releases in rhythm ... Can stretch the floor with NBA 3-point range ... His vision, passing and ability to facilitate out of the post make it difficult for off-ball defenders to keep their eyes on their man and the ball at the same time ... Reliable mid-range jumper ... Green is slippery with his back to the basket, with the ability to spin baseline or turn across the lane for the finish ... Terrific rebounder thanks to the combination of an aggressive motor and soft hands ... Unselfish and timely passer ... Overachiever. High basketball IQ ... Makes those around him better, possesses sense of maturity and leadership qualities ...

Weaknesses: One of those great college basketball players that doesn't excel in any one particular area ... Tweener, undersized for a physical forward yet lacks the athleticism of a wing ... Lacks explosiveness, agility, elusiveness and quickness off the bounce ... Under the rim finisher, which is troublesome when you consider his size ... Not a threat to shake his defender off the dribble ... Minimal upside ... Vulnerable defending quicker guards on the perimeter ... Could stand to drop some weight ...

Overall: The Big-Ten Player of the Year, Green has a number of likeable qualities, but not one specific skill that a team may be seeking ... He's a low-risk/low-reward pick considering his role-player potential and ability to fit in ... His ceiling dances around the mid-20s, where a playoff can use him right away to compliment its better players ...

Exactly complementing better players is what he's done... good draft scout conclusion...

[Hoops Czar]

This. A lot easier to look good when you have three of the top shooters in the league on your roster. They benefited significantly from sucking a while after the fun 2007 team and getting lottery picks. Spurs haven't drafted inside of 20 since 1997. Twenty years!

Now apply this to the Spurs when they had a prime Duncan, Manu and Parker. It's easy to look like a competent GM when you have three of the best players in the league at their respective positions, playing at their best. You can actually afford to gift an untalented ginger a 10 year career and 27.1M and nobody is going to question it.

Btw, Warriors weren't historic and they weren't unbeatable. No Nurkic vs Portland, No Hill for games 2, 3 and 4 and a less than optimal Gobert vs Utah, No Parker or Leonard vs the Spurs and a Cleveland team that was ridiculed all season long for their lack of defense. Not to mention, the super team era has left the league as a whole watered down and devoid of talent.

[Nathan89]

Bell isn't even close to the prospect that Draymond was. Terrible player comparison.

[dabom]

Got triple doubles in college... got his team to the Ncaa sweet sixteen. He's a winner... won in the dleague summer league and will be winning in the NBA when given chances. Gets too much here uncessarily. It's nit like h didn't he show up in the playoffs when given chances.

Glad Pop subbed Kawhi with fathead just so the team could blow up.

[dabom]

vs OKC

[SAGirl]

vs OKC

Highest winshares in the team after Kawhi this potseason.. your boy mills was supposed to carry the offense since he's the microwave and his light bulb went out lol two seasons in a row
Last season Kyle was 22 and for so little involvtment he didn't have rhythm. How was he this season,? Yeah cry me a river

[dabom]

Highest winshares in the team after Kawhi this potseason.. your boy mills was supposed to carry the offense since he's the microwave and his light bulb went out lol two seasons in a row
Last season Kyle was 22 and for so little involvtment he didn't have rhythm. How was he this season,? Yeah cry me a river

He was trash when it mattered. Nothing after Kawhi going down mattered. No pressure situation. You wouldn't know the difference though.

[TheGreatYacht]

Highest winshares in the team after Kawhi this potseason.. your boy mills was supposed to carry the offense since he's the microwave and his light bulb went out lol two seasons in a row
Last season Kyle was 22 and for so little involvtment he didn't have rhythm. How was he this season,? Yeah cry me a river

Wow...

[SAGirl]

Wow...

I mean he kept pumping mills as the most consistent player.... consistently coming up short... pun intended

[dabom]

We lose to the rockets without MVPatty. Fathead doesn't even move the needle.

[ceperez]

Spurs had superiority over the league for years, but with the PATFO folks spreading out and getting jobs elsewhere, that expertise is now all over the place.

The Warriors are obviously today's king at picking, they picked their entire crew and their free agents. Spurs did not bother to pick up valuable players like Livingston and Clark when they were available in the past seasons. Also, Warriors have the money. What kind of organization pays $3.5m for a second round player? The kind that knows value when they see it.

Utah (also with Spurs personnel) may have also stolen a Spurs draft by paying money to draft one step higher than the Spurs.

What the Spurs got may be good role players, but not game changers with freakish capabilities.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm a better scout than RC and POP but they didn't listen to me

[Horse]

So he's fathead with a shot? Well if fathead could shoot he'd be pretty good.

[TD 21]

Yup. Warriors are drowning in Silicon Valley money so they basically said F it, let's call every team and whichever team takes the offer of the highest allowable - which is what they paid - we'll buy into the draft.

I think the NBA should eliminate the ability to buy picks. I'm fine with money being sent in a player trade to pay some of their salary, but this goes against the spirit of compe ive balance.

I'd be even more pissed if I'm a Bulls fan. Not like I'm in a small market. Owner just literally pocketed $3.5 million so he can pay it to Rondo to go away. Pathetic

[spursistan]

This thread is re ed, GSW is looking good because their starters are in their primes and do all the heavy work, plus the ref .
OKC had great picks and now is sinking like the anic.
Would love to see what GSWFO can do when his starters are getting older.

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This expanding warriors-slurping krew on ST ..


Having said that, I'm not going to deny that PATFO hasn't made any FA/trade transaction in the last 5 years that has come to even move the needle on court (The Diaw pickup was the last one-- Spurs probably wouldn't have won Thunder series without him).

So yeah, the front office have beeen overrated for quite some time-- some of it self-inflicted (loyalty etc..)..

[TheGreatYacht]

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This expanding warriors-slurping krew on ST ..


Having said that, I'm not going to deny that PATFO hasn't made any FA/trade transaction in the last 5 years that has come to even move the needle on court (The Diaw pickup was the last one-- Spurs probably wouldn't have won Thunder series without him).

So yeah, the front office have beeen overrated for quite some time-- some of it self-inflicted (loyalty etc..)..

The Diaw pickup was 95% Parker though smh

[spursistan]

The Diaw pickup was 95% Parker though smh

AnD some want to trade Parker before we meet CP3 ..

det Kiwi silver tongue is going to convince Paul..