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    The basic point is that LMA is a black hole who cannot pass the ball. Heck, he can't anticipate double-teams and see the need to pass the ball.
    I know, he sucks with that, and the Dubs exploited the out of it. It's frustrating to watch him not be able to get post position but i can still accept that they had zero chance to beat the Dubs without Kawhi.

    If LMA was a great postup scorer and passer, he wouldn't be playing for SA in the first place.

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    Dubs made a lot of teams and players look stupid. And the league allows wrestling in the post, esp by smaller defenders. But if bigs get physical back, they get an offensive foul. Sure, LMA played bad against Warriors (as did other bigs) but given their strength is doubling and given that two mainstays were gone, the results are not that surprising.

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    I know, he sucks with that, and the Dubs exploited the out of it. It's frustrating to watch him not be able to get post position but i can still accept that they had zero chance to beat the Dubs without Kawhi.

    If LMA was a great postup scorer and passer, he wouldn't be playing for SA in the first place.
    True, we had zero chance. But that doesn't excuse lack of effort and rote, lazy, uninspired play - which is what I saw in LMA. Other guys continued to fight.

    Why wouldn't he be playing for the Spurs if he possessed those skills? He was the biggest name FA two years ago, and the Spurs compensated him accordingly.

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    True, we had zero chance. But that doesn't excuse lack of effort and rote, lazy, uninspired play - which is what I saw in LMA. Other guys continued to fight.

    Why wouldn't he be playing for the Spurs if he possessed those skills? He was the biggest name FA two years ago, and the Spurs compensated him accordingly.
    He'd have been contending in Portland and they would have fully maxed him out.

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    He'd have been contending in Portland and they would have fully maxed him out.
    Maybe. The Blazers were aware of his abilities and shortcomings. (Why wasn't Pop?) But that overlooks the off-court/character issues that we are getting a first-hand look at now. The guy has a fragile psyche that manifested itself in antipathy toward Lillard in Portland.

    We don't know exactly how it is manifesting itself here, except that there seems to be such a significant breach between LMA and the organization - really Pop - that he has publicly blamed the organization for his regression. Under those cir stances I cannot imagine the keep-it-in-house, never-air-your-dirty-laundry-in-public Spurs ever enduring his continued presence. When Pop was recruiting him, in fact, ST was more focused on his star value and whether, with his quirky, introverted character, LMA would fit in here. Nobody was focused on his abilities and shortcomings on the court. If Pop was, he apparently believed (mistakenly) that he could teach LMA how to recognize double teams and become an effective passer, and overcome his soft tendencies and reliance on his fade-aways and mold him into some facsimile of Timmy. It didn't work. The guy has now compounded those on-court shortcomings by committing the cardinal Spur sin of going public with his beef against the organization. He is G-O-N-E, and he must be in order for the Spurs to preserve their culture.

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    Dubs made a lot of teams and players look stupid. And the league allows wrestling in the post, esp by smaller defenders. But if bigs get physical back, they get an offensive foul. Sure, LMA played bad against Warriors (as did other bigs) but given their strength is doubling and given that two mainstays were gone, the results are not that surprising.
    The Rockets made him look stupid too. You can't argue defense is their strength.

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    The Rockets made him look stupid too. You can't argue defense is their strength.
    Especially Harden!

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    Of course RC isnt going to say anything bad, the reports probably already damaged LA's trade value...but it's pretty clear he intends to trade him based on the "if we can be better we will do it" comment tbh

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    Of course RC isnt going to say anything bad, the reports probably already damaged LA's trade value...but it's pretty clear he intends to trade him based on the "if we can be better we will do it" comment tbh
    Exactly! The dude went public with his beef against the team! No way he violates Spur culture like that and comes back!

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    Omg, you mean Manu, one of the best passers ever, had more assists than LMA? Shocking.
    . You were claiming no one could score... flat out lie.
    some assists were the easiest passes ever to Kyle Anderson tbh it's like you didn't watch the game tbh

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    Kawhi Leonard is obviously better than LMA....are you really comparing those two? We didn't bring Aldridge here to be an iso/passing out of a double team guy. We were playing the ing Warriors dude. Quit freaking out that Lamarcus Aldridge didn't have a switch where he could suddenly turn into prime Kevin McHale.
    At this stage... Jon Simmons and Kyle Anderson were better than him. With enough work on his shot maybe by next season already Murray will be too. He was Trash... trash.
    So, it's true he didn't want to be here.

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    Manu, who was basically playing PG that series.
    Its relevant bc he's ckaimimg guys couldn't score. That's just a lie...

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    TBH, LMA had a great first year with us. He was an all star and his jumper was falling. When we lost to the Thunder, he wasn't taking the heat. This year he missed shots he made the first year. He also looked a little overweight. But what really probably set him off is when Kawhi went down and he became the man. That means if you don't step up, you take the heat. I'm not sure he ever took heat like he did with his performance v GSW. Even in Portland he never took that heat. And I'm sure he never thought he'd take it on a team like SA that favors team over the individual. And he was crucified. Not just by Spurstalk, but by the national media. That hurts and it's a little unfair given who they were playing and the cir stances. Sure he's being petty now, but acknowledge that if the national media was roasting us like it did him, we'd be unhappy too. Just look at the heat he took from Pierce, a perennial loser until he got carried by KG and Ray Allen, saying that the 40 year old version of him was better than LMA, which is garbage.
    He Deserves the heat he got. If he was a roleplayer no one would care. But he's the highest paid guy in the team former all star etc. And there were young Spurs who outsplayed him, and just competed harder ... even in a loss you could save face. He wasn't even trying. Frankly Gasol was disgustingly bad but I didn't get the impression with him that he wasn't competing. Unfortunately he's just declined... but he competed. Lamarcus looked like he was playing a preseason game. Doubting on being aggressive.

    I felt sorry bc I think he just doesn't know if he should take a shot or pass. Simple... but he couldn't do it... so he started being passive.

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    Unless it was earlier in the thread, he did not claim no one could score. He claimed there was no one else to create offense.

    Outside of Kawhi, Parker, and Manu (when he's having a throwback game) the Spurs do not have players that are creators.

    I'm just as disappointed in LMA's performance as anyone and really want him off the team. That said, he was put in a rough position in the WCF without Kawhi and Parker and took a beating for his play. The team around him at the time would not have won 50 games this year. He probably should have been cut a little slack in the media, but I think everyone was turned off by his lack of desire to compete... or at least the perceived lack of desire to compete.

    Either way, anything that happened in that series outside of game 1 is fools gold. The Spurs were playing neutered and throwing stuff against the wall to see what would stick. Golden State knew there was 0 chance the Spurs could beat them in that state and took away the only option the Spurs had.

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    I honestly have no idea what RC and Pop were thinking when they signed LMA. They ed up big time.

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    The only team I could see giving anything up for Aldridge is Phoenix. Aldridge would likely be willing to re-sign there. They would probably be willing to give up Len since they have so many frontline guys. The leak of Aldridge not wanting to play for the Spurs greatly reduced any value the Spurs could get for him.

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    No way hes with the team anymore
    Even him selves has stated it through his twitter account

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    The Rockets made him look stupid too. You can't argue defense is their strength.
    He had up and down games against the Rockets. Everyone knows he's a 2 or a 3 and not a 1. For example, Klay Thompson sucked in many games, but he's still viewed as a 2 or 3 because he was good in a few games.

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    He Deserves the heat he got. If he was a roleplayer no one would care. But he's the highest paid guy in the team former all star etc. And there were young Spurs who outsplayed him, and just competed harder ... even in a loss you could save face. He wasn't even trying. Frankly Gasol was disgustingly bad but I didn't get the impression with him that he wasn't competing. Unfortunately he's just declined... but he competed. Lamarcus looked like he was playing a preseason game. Doubting on being aggressive.

    I felt sorry bc I think he just doesn't know if he should take a shot or pass. Simple... but he couldn't do it... so he started being passive.
    Do you think GSW worried about stopping Anderson. Their goal was stop LMA and Patty and let the others score. And it worked. Sure LMA played poor, but I'm just saying keep it in context. People want to dump him in trades that will hurt the Spurs. That's stupid. If you can't get something better, keep him. He's still a good player. I'm mostly commenting on his at ude, which is understandably bad after the beating he took in the media. A beating that should be reserved to MVP level talent. He's never been that.

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    LMA for Carmelo incoming.


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    At this point with the speculation and the gaping holes that are looming given the cap situation and players potentially on their way out for better deals... I doubt we get rid of him for anything of value.

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    Do you think GSW worried about stopping Anderson. Their goal was stop LMA and Patty and let the others score. And it worked. Sure LMA played poor, but I'm just saying keep it in context. People want to dump him in trades that will hurt the Spurs. That's stupid. If you can't get something better, keep him. He's still a good player. I'm mostly commenting on his at ude, which is understandably bad after the beating he took in the media. A beating that should be reserved to MVP level talent. He's never been that.
    Regardless of how you analyze the GS series, LMA has committed a cardinal Spur sin by publicly blaming his regression on the organization. The Spurs will never tolerate that. They will dump him for a 3rd round pick before they welcome him back to the fold. He is GONE.

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    Regardless of how you analyze the GS series, LMA has committed a cardinal Spur sin by publicly blaming his regression on the organization. The Spurs will never tolerate that. They will dump him for a 3rd round pick before they welcome him back to the fold. He is GONE.
    Maybe they go full EVIL! Dont trade him...just dont play him regardless of the cost...haha.

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    Regardless of how you analyze the GS series, LMA has committed a cardinal Spur sin by publicly blaming his regression on the organization. The Spurs will never tolerate that. They will dump him for a 3rd round pick before they welcome him back to the fold. He is GONE.
    If he asked for a trade, they will accommodate him if it is to their benefit. But he is frustrated about how things turned out. I don't know that they can't convince him to comeback and give 100%. The Spurs will allow players to be human and express frustration, even to the media, and especially with the heat that he got. But people here want to dump him at all costs, which is a dumb decision. People also act like he's not a good player, he is. If he doesn't want to be here, fine, but that doesn't mean the Spurs don't think he is a legit player.

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