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    If LMA were actually gone, he'd be gone. The Spurs aren't getting a better deal by waiting. They're waiting because it might just make more sense to keep him than to deal him. I know everyone wants him gone -- and even he may want to be gone -- but it doesn't make basketball sense yet. Right now, the clearest path to improvement is for LMA to play better. Thinking that Millsap getting 50 percent more money is a viable strategy is something I just can't go along with. Dude only makes sense at a discount.
    You're wrong here.

    Spurs are waiting it out. Why?

    There's two type of trades that will be in the works for Aldridge. And one MUST be prioritized before the other because Free Agency is a huge variable that Spurs must really feel out because there's better options in free agency to fill LAs' salary than there would be in a LA trade for salary ( if that makes sense).

    The first one will be to trade him for space and a small asset to a team w/ cap space. This will be done if SA can fill in his salary via FA -- if they can get a FA to commit. If they can get a FA or FAs to commit, then LA will be dumped for salary in a heartbeat.

    The second one will be if Spurs whiff in FA, THEN is when SA will explore trades FOR salary.

    If Spurs were to dump LA for space right now, that would be dumb because they could whiff during Free Agency and be screwed. It would also be dumb to trade him right now for salary because that would take themselves out the running from being real players in Free Agency.

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    This is silly. With possible sign and trades once free agency opens up it would be madness to do some trade now. Things can definitely change between now and then. Its pretty much the opposite of what you say here: There's no incentive NOT to wait.
    Things CAN change. But if the team wanted him gone, we'd know it by now. The "just S&T him for Millsap" argument is odd. It's not completely irrational, but it would make more sense to have dumped him last week and then just sign Millsap.

    I'm not saying LMA will definitely be here. But we've gotten nothing to say LMA is already gone. If that were the case, he's actually be gone. The Spurs wouldn't still be shopping him and trying to see if they can make the team better in a deal.

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    Bless your little heart, Chinook. So much optimism.

    Part of me hopes you're right. I'm going to enjoy watching LMA get booed out of the building opening night.

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    You're wrong here.

    Spurs are waiting it out. Why?

    There's two type of trades that will be in the works for Aldridge. And one MUST be prioritized before the other because Free Agency is a huge variable.

    The first one will be to trade him for space and a small asset to a team w/ cap space. This will be done if SA can fill in his salary via FA -- if they can get a FA to commit. If they can get a FA or FAs to commit, then LA will be dumped for salary in a heartbeat.

    The second one will be if Spurs whiff in FA, THEN is when SA will explore trades FOR salary.

    If Spurs were to dump LA for space right now, that would be dumb because they could whiff during Free Agency and be screwed. It would also be dumb to trade him right now for salary because that would take themselves out the running from being real players in Free Agency.
    You say I'm wrong and then right a post saying what I said. If they don't get what they want in free agency, they'll keep him. Therefore, he's not "gone" yet.

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    If LMA were actually gone, he'd be gone. The Spurs aren't getting a better deal by waiting. They're waiting because it might just make more sense to keep him than to deal him. I know everyone wants him gone -- and even he may want to be gone -- but it doesn't make basketball sense yet. Right now, the clearest path to improvement is for LMA to play better. Thinking that Millsap getting 50 percent more money is a viable strategy is something I just can't go along with. Dude only makes sense at a discount.
    For a capoligist this is ignorant.

    Possiblilites will open up post July 1.

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    You say I'm wrong and then right a post saying what I said. If they don't get what they want in free agency, they'll keep him. Therefore, he's not "gone" yet.
    What you said is wrong. You said he'd be gone already by now if he was going to be traded. Did you not?

    He's gone. Spurs will trade him for salary if it comes down to it. He's no part of their future.

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    You're wrong here.

    Spurs are waiting it out. Why?

    There's two type of trades that will be in the works for Aldridge. And one MUST be prioritized before the other because Free Agency is a huge variable that Spurs must really feel out because there's better options in free agency to fill LAs' salary than there would be in a LA trade for salary ( if that makes sense).

    The first one will be to trade him for space and a small asset to a team w/ cap space. This will be done if SA can fill in his salary via FA -- if they can get a FA to commit. If they can get a FA or FAs to commit, then LA will be dumped for salary in a heartbeat.

    The second one will be if Spurs whiff in FA, THEN is when SA will explore trades FOR salary.

    If Spurs were to dump LA for space right now, that would be dumb because they could whiff during Free Agency and be screwed. It would also be dumb to trade him right now for salary because that would take themselves out the running from being real players in Free Agency.
    Exactly, there's literally no reason to move him before free agency starts but after the draft.

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    Bless your little heart, Chinook. So much optimism.

    Part of me hopes you're right. I'm going to enjoy watching LMA get booed out of the building opening night.
    The is wrong with you? I'm not saying LMA will be here. I'm saying that a) They might still keep him because they don't get what they want and b) If they intend to trade him at the deadline, they aren't replacing him in July.

    Before you replied, I said I'm not about paying big money to Millsap or Ibaka. But that's not me saying that I'd give LMA that money. I'd rather ride it out and start clean than commit to downhill bigs on huge deals.

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    Teams can't even trade guys right now can they? Not until FA begins?

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    I agree with objective that I'd rather pay Millsap 30 rather than Ibaka 20, tbh, the difference in skill-sets is significant..the former is even better defensively, at this point..

    I'd much rather pay 20 for James Johnson than Ibaka's 40-year old ass, too, if the Heat can land a whale..

    I'd rather avoid paying big money and long deals to any of these old s, though..Spurs aren't beating the Warriors in the next 2 years, regardless, 100..better to start taking fliers on upside..

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    If LMA isn't in the long term plans - and as this point I don't see how he could be - then he's done playing for the Spurs. I would be shocked if this guy is here next year in any capacity. But admittedly, there's nothing fool proof to point in this direction. But for it to be wrong, all the reports we heard on the day of the draft would have to be wrong, too.

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    The is wrong with you? I'm not saying LMA will be here. I'm saying that a) They might still keep him because they don't get what they want and b) If they intend to trade him at the deadline, they aren't replacing him in July.

    Before you replied, I said I'm not about paying big money to Millsap or Ibaka. But that's not me saying that I'd give LMA that money. I'd rather ride it out and start clean than commit to downhill bigs on huge deals.
    What the is wrong with YOU? The writing is on the wall, moron. Just because his value is so awful, that they couldn't get a deal for him on draft night doesn't mean he's not on his way out the door.

    "If he was gone, he'd be gone".

    That's what you said, and you couldn't be more wrong. Some capologist you are. You think all the scenarios the posters outlined above would've been obvious to you. Guess not.

    ty capologist and talent evaluator.

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    Spurs swung for the fence going for a lottery pick...didn't work out. But that doesn't mean a good deal can't be made..
    It does not. I'm not sure if I "expect" LMA to be traded, but I'm more than open to it. What I'm not open to is giving Millsap $30 Million, although I guess I wouldn't care if it were a one-year deal with a team option. I'm very wary about committing long-term salaries to guys under this cap, but I'm even more concerned about doing so to older players, especially those like Millsap who will be in decline very soon.

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    Teams can't even trade guys right now can they? Not until FA begins?
    After July 6, I believe.

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    What the is wrong with YOU? The writing is on the wall, moron. Just because his value is so awful, that they couldn't get a deal for him on draft night doesn't mean he's not on his way out the door.

    "If he was gone, he'd be gone".

    That's what you said, and you couldn't be more wrong. Some capologist you are. You think all the scenarios the posters outlined above would've been obvious to you. Guess not.

    ty capologist and talent evaluator.
    Yes, if there were zero chance the Spurs were willing to go another game with him, they would have dumped him already. You don't try to hold onto a guy and squeeze value out if you're done with him. At least the Spurs don't.

    You keep on trying to change the subject, though. You suggested LMA would be gone by the deadline if not moved next week. You thus allowed that he could be here past July. Therefore, you don't think he's necessarily "gone" yet.

    But go on trying to make this about me. No way I can touch your "he's definitely gone, unless he's here until February" takes.

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    Teams can't even trade guys right now can they? Not until FA begins?
    They can trade until Friday at midnight.

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    Want no part of JaMychal. What's with people trying to scrap from the bottom of the barrel today?
    Some are irrationally bent on Anderson not playing..... case can be made he's better off the bench but after how he played against GSW to keep harping that he can't play against them is some subjective hate...

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    Ibaka's 40-year old ass.
    This guy listed at 27 years old

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    Yes, if there were zero chance the Spurs were willing to go another game with him, they would have dumped him already. You don't try to hold onto a guy and squeeze value out if you're done with him. At least the Spurs don't.

    You keep on trying to change the subject, though. You suggested LMA would be gone by the deadline if not moved next week. You thus allowed that he could be here past July. Therefore, you don't think he's necessarily "gone" yet.

    But go on trying to make this about me. No way I can touch your "he's definitely gone, unless he's here until February" takes.
    He's not part of the Spurs plans beyond the trade deadline. Happy? He's still good as gone.

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    What you said is wrong. You said he'd be gone already by now if he was going to be traded. Did you not?

    He's gone. Spurs will trade him for salary if it comes down to it. He's no part of their future.
    I'm taking "he's gone" as "He's not playing another game with SA no matter what" (allowing for freak occurrences, of course). I don't think we're there yet. I think the team knows he has value to them (despite all the ing here), and that having him fill regular-season minutes of getting a somewhat inefficient 17/8 is hardly the worst thing if they get to start off with a clean slate in 2018. This is the team that is -bent on keeping Parker.

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    The is wrong with you? I'm not saying LMA will be here. I'm saying that a) They might still keep him because they don't get what they want and b) If they intend to trade him at the deadline, they aren't replacing him in July.

    Before you replied, I said I'm not about paying big money to Millsap or Ibaka. But that's not me saying that I'd give LMA that money. I'd rather ride it out and start clean than commit to downhill bigs on huge deals.

    It's a point worth making. The last thing the Spurs need to do now is get desperate and create bad contracts.

    People here think if LMA stays, he's going to pout and play even worse. He might. But I'm sure his agent (at least) will tell him what a mistake that would be. The Spurs could screw him on his next deal SO badly. It would be down to mutually assured destruction, if it went that far. LMA has millions of reasons not to take the season off. Someone made the comment that him wanting out of SA is a bad sign, and I think it was the truth. But he would have every opportunity to help himself get a good contract elsewhere, if he shrugs all this off and steps up this year.

    So, no, I don't think it's at all certain that he won't be playing in silver and black this year.

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    And JaMychal was some that didn't stick. There are guys like him just waiting to be signed. Don't get the obsession with him.
    He also was one of those that got away from Patfo. He's about the only young rotation player that's decent n Memphis. They will move contracts if they have to but I think they resign him.

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    I'm taking "he's gone" as "He's not playing another game with SA no matter what" (allowing for freak occurrences, of course). I don't think we're there yet. I think the team knows he has value to them (despite all the ing here), and that having him fill regular-season minutes of getting a somewhat inefficient 17/8 is hardly the worst thing if they get to start off with a clean slate in 2018. This is the team that is -bent on keeping Parker.
    Don't disagree with you on LMA. But what makes you sure they're bent on keepin' Tony? Just the Green trade rumors?

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    It's a point worth making. The last thing the Spurs need to do now is get desperate and create bad contracts.

    People here think if LMA stays, he's going to pout and play even worse. He might. But I'm sure his agent (at least) will tell him what a mistake that would be. The Spurs could screw him on his next deal SO badly. It would be down to mutually assured destruction, if it went that far. LMA has millions of reasons not to take the season off. Someone made the comment that him wanting out of SA is a bad sign, and I think it was the truth. But he would have every opportunity to help himself get a good contract elsewhere, if he shrugs all this off and steps up this year.

    So, no, I don't think it's at all certain that he won't be playing in silver and black this year.
    Yes, it's possible that LMA and Green both have contract years. Danny especially arguably his two best seasons in 2012 and 2015. I'm less hopeful on LMA, but you don't know. Dude may realize that this is his last chance at a le (since he'd be commit to purgatory with PHX) and will leave it on the court like he did in the first two games of the WCSF in 2016. I am all for moving him for value (I would rather have Chriss and space than Millsap), but if that's past, I'd have to think before moving him now. If he's still a in February, and I can get value then, I'd move him.

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    Don't disagree with you on LMA. But what makes you sure they're bent on keepin' Tony? Just the Green trade rumors?
    Yeah. I think there's a remote possibility that the LMA and Green rumors are smokescreens for a Parker deal, but I just have a feeling Tony will be safe, because Pop honestly believes that he gives the team the better chance to win a le.

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