CP3 traded to Rockets

[gambit1990]

rockets now have 2 outta the top 6, 8 players?

spurs have what, 2 outta the top... 20, 25?

[GSH]

agreed.

rockets had harden to get his teammates easy looks... and now they have someone who can get harden easy looks.

The problem is, you still have to score more points than the other team. Houston averaged over 115 PPG last season. The Rockets aren't going to put up more points by taking on CP3 and getting rid of Lou Williams. Paul is a good defender, but Beverly was 1st team All Defensive for a reason.

To really benefit from Chris Paul, the Rockets would have to play a different style than they did this year. And I think that would require firing D'Antoni and hiring a different coach - and that's not going to happen.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The problem is, you still have to score more points than the other team. Houston averaged over 115 PPG last season. The Rockets aren't going to put up more points by taking on CP3 and getting rid of Lou Williams. Paul is a good defender, but Beverly was 1st team All Defensive for a reason.

To really benefit from Chris Paul, the Rockets would have to play a different style than they did this year. And I think that would require firing D'Antoni and hiring a different coach - and that's not going to happen.

In fairness, Paul did make NBA All-Defensive first team, but I do agree that Beverly is a better defender.

[jbspurs]

It may not work out for them, but I'm not sure they regret this trade. They're not really giving up too much for him. They already have their sixth man in Eric Gordon, and Beverly, while a decent defender doesn't give them consistency on the offensive end.

I'll even go as far as to say it's a low risk, high reward move for them.

IMO, Rockets don't need CP3, their lineup last season was already solid, all they need was a really good power forward. I am not saying CP3 is not good, I want him on our team, I was hoping for Kawhi, LMA with CP3. I really think CP3's style of play will help improve LMA. Unfortunately, CP3 is not coming and LMA wants out..

[therealtruth]

The problem is, you still have to score more points than the other team. Houston averaged over 115 PPG last season. The Rockets aren't going to put up more points by taking on CP3 and getting rid of Lou Williams. Paul is a good defender, but Beverly was 1st team All Defensive for a reason.

To really benefit from Chris Paul, the Rockets would have to play a different style than they did this year. And I think that would require firing D'Antoni and hiring a different coach - and that's not going to happen.

Exactly. I said it in another thread but the main thing the move does is allow Harden to conserve his energy during the season. He doesn't always have to be the man. Also it prevents things like game 6 against the Spurs where if he doesn't do well the whole team struggles. He'll be able to pick his spots more.

[spursistan]

[TimDunkem]

Why does DA bother to put "pending" in the tweet? As if the deal has a chance of not being finalized.

[mudyez]

I like the Jordan/Beverley defensive impact.

Would love them to keep Red and run their offense though off ball action headlining him Crawford and maybe others.

Not that you win a ship with that, but it's an interesting team makeup.

[Fireball]

I guess if CP3 can morph his game like Jason Kidd late in his career Rockets could be damn good

His game is the mid range shot which is not used in Houston, so he will have to be a more proficient 3 point threat. It might work out, but I still believe Harden and Paul are so very efficient because they have the ball in their hands ... both are point guards now. Comparing this to Durant going to GS is bull . Curry can play off the ball. I have my doubt that Harden can go back after last season to defer this much to another point guard.

[tholdren]

Durant is a great fit beside Curry. It's apples to oranges with Harden and Paul.

Durant was getting pwned by 4/5 of spurs and unhelthy kl. would be a wrap is sa had a healthy squad

[Chillen]

The bright side of CP3 to Rockets is the Spurs don't have to overpay a PG that is only 2 years younger than Parker who is a proven winner. There are other options out there and I do hope Spurs make some moves this offseason can't stand pat and expect to beat the Warriors as is. Also CP3 and Harden will drive Curry, Thompson nuts so that will be a good matchup.

If CP3 wanted to be a Spur player, he would. Move on people!

[Chillen]

Durant is a great fit beside Curry. It's apples to oranges with Harden and Paul.

Durant causes problems with the Warriors because he can move like a guard and the defense focuses on the GS shooters Curry, Thompson, which leaves a near 7 foot nightmare roaming loose. That's why they won the chip, Durant knew what he was doing when signed how it would leave most NBA teams at a disadvantage. Dude don't care, he ringed but he did have to carry them which could spell trouble if they think the road to a repeat is gonna get easier.

[Chinook]

Dunno if that blurb about why Paul chose Houston over SA is true. But if so, it essentially said that he didn't like Pop trying to get rid of LMA and keep Parker. That flies in the face of Tony being a major selling point for him. More than anything, that would be something for which Pop deserves criticism.

[rjv]

Dunno if that blurb about why Paul chose Houston over SA is true. But if so, it essentially said that he didn't like Pop trying to get rid of LMA and keep Parker. That flies in the face of Tony being a major selling point for him. More than anything, that would be something for which Pop deserves criticism.

the spurs, even if they had wanted to, were not going to get anything back for TP, an aging point guard with the same injury that ended Barkley's career. and again, as you stated, it is speculative information at best. and even if the source is correct, there is no way of knowing the full details. one could even just as easily infer that CP, being tight with TP, wanted no part of being the reason why Tony's career would be essentially over in SA. or it could have been CP just blowing smoke. i think the LMA news would be more substantial because it sends out all sorts of smoke and creates an uncertain roster. but why not wait for the meeting with the Spurs FO to find out. how it is that the Rockets FO managed to convince CP to agree to the trade is highly suspect. someone had to be telling him their plans.

[rjv]

The bright side of CP3 to Rockets is the Spurs don't have to overpay a PG that is only 2 years younger than Parker who is a proven winner. There are other options out there and I do hope Spurs make some moves this offseason can't stand pat and expect to beat the Warriors as is. Also CP3 and Harden will drive Curry, Thompson nuts so that will be a good matchup.

If CP3 wanted to be a Spur player, he would. Move on people!

i wanted no part of a 45 million dollar pay day to a 37 year old. that is just insane. i'll take my chances on the future of some younger prospects rather than a couple of years with an all-star at that price.

[GSH]

In fairness, Paul did make NBA All-Defensive first team, but I do agree that Beverly is a better defender.

I don't know who is "better" defensively, TBH. My point was just that the Rockets didn't get better on defense, over this trade.

Here's something I haven't seen anyone else talk about:

The Rockets are still going to have to fill a roster. They traded two guys who played 2,000 minutes each last season, for one guy who played 1,900 minutes. They are going to have to fill in a load of minutes, and a lot of them will almost certainly be with player(s) who aren't as good as those two. So no matter what they gained by adding Paul, they're going to give some back unless they make another deal somewhere.

[rjv]

I don't know who is "better" defensively, TBH. My point was just that the Rockets didn't get better on defense, over this trade.

Here's something I haven't seen anyone else talk about:

The Rockets are still going to have to fill a roster. They traded two guys who played 2,000 minutes each last season, for one guy who played 1,900 minutes. They are going to have to fill in a load of minutes, and a lot of them will almost certainly be with player(s) who aren't as good as those two. So no matter what they gained by adding Paul, they're going to give some back unless they make another deal somewhere.

that is the gamble they made and thus the clamoring from their FO that they are still looking for another big name. if that gamble does not pay off and all they get out of free agency is CP3 then their off season is not really that successful in terms of their ultimate goal. but being that FA has yet to begin, there are many cards yet to be dealt.

[GSH]

that is the gamble they made and thus the clamoring from their FO that they are still looking for another big name. if that gamble does not pay off and all they get out of free agency is CP3 then their off season is not really that successful in terms of their ultimate goal. but being that FA has yet to begin, there are many cards yet to be dealt.

Last I checked, they had $91.5M committed. And this place is full of discussions about how little $8M will get in the FA market. And they have roster spots to fill. To get another big name, they're likely going to have to give up something.

I'm not saying it won't/can't happen. But they are going to have a tough time signing a big name. More likely they are going to have to find an over-achiever. The big point is that there's no guarantee that they got ANY better overall.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't know who is "better" defensively, TBH. My point was just that the Rockets didn't get better on defense, over this trade.

Here's something I haven't seen anyone else talk about:

The Rockets are still going to have to fill a roster. They traded two guys who played 2,000 minutes each last season, for one guy who played 1,900 minutes. They are going to have to fill in a load of minutes, and a lot of them will almost certainly be with player(s) who aren't as good as those two. So no matter what they gained by adding Paul, they're going to give some back unless they make another deal somewhere.

On the money, GSH. I think the Rockets need some defensive bigs too as the got exposed defensively pretty badly in the playoffs. It'll be interesting to see if Nene walks this summer and what happens with Anderson as well.

, maybe Gordon gets traded if they need to attract another big name and clear some space.

[rjv]

On the money, GSH. I think the Rockets need some defensive bigs too as the got exposed defensively pretty badly in the playoffs. It'll be interesting to see if Nene walks this summer and what happens with Anderson as well.

, maybe Gordon gets traded if they need to attract another big name and clear some space.

supposedly, nene was told by the rockets FO that he is a part of their plans going forward and Nene has the same interest.

[GSH]

supposedly, nene was told by the rockets FO that he is a part of their plans going forward and Nene has the same interest.

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing you personally. Here's the thing about Nene.

1. He isn't included in the $91.5M in committed salaries. He played 19 mpg last year, and got paid about $3M.
2. He's getting old.
3. So if they sign him, and IF he is still just as good as he was last season, that will hold the Rockets even talent-wise. It won't make them better than last year.

The Rockets definitely got a good player in CP3. But they still have to deal with the same salary cap issues the Spurs are looking at.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Exactly. I said it in another thread but the main thing the move does is allow Harden to conserve his energy during the season. He doesn't always have to be the man. Also it prevents things like game 6 against the Spurs where if he doesn't do well the whole team struggles. He'll be able to pick his spots more.

Eh, doesn't matter if he conserves his energy if he has to guard Aldridge, Kawhi, etc. in the post for a playoff series. Or Durant/Draymond if they are playing Golden State. Harden will fold like the cheap tent he was at the end of our series.

[rjv]

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing you personally. Here's the thing about Nene.

1. He isn't included in the $91.5M in committed salaries. He played 19 mpg last year, and got paid about $3M.
2. He's getting old.
3. So if they sign him, and IF he is still just as good as he was last season, that will hold the Rockets even talent-wise. It won't make them better than last year.

The Rockets definitely got a good player in CP3. But they still have to deal with the same salary cap issues the Spurs are looking at.

i don't see it as bashing because i'm not taking any concrete position on the CP3 move. i'm just repeating what i have heard. as it stands now, the rockets did not make that big a splash other than they upgraded the position once held by beverley. but they have lost depth to this point and still have significant deficiencies to address. supposedly, they intend to. whether they do (or can) or not is yet to be seen.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'll never believe that Houston is a real contender until I see it, but you'd have to be a delusional homer to ignore that they improved their roster, tbh..they lost a replaceable role player(Beverley) and the easiest type of player to find in the NBA(Lou Williams, volume shooting, no D type) in exchange for a top 3 PG..

I get it, though..there were many here arguing that the Warriors were making a mistake by signing Durant and losing scrubs, despite Durant being a far more natural fit with GS than Paul is with Houston

[rastaspur]

I don't know who is "better" defensively, TBH. My point was just that the Rockets didn't get better on defense, over this trade.

Here's something I haven't seen anyone else talk about:

The Rockets are still going to have to fill a roster. They traded two guys who played 2,000 minutes each last season, for one guy who played 1,900 minutes. They are going to have to fill in a load of minutes, and a lot of them will almost certainly be with player(s) who aren't as good as those two. So no matter what they gained by adding Paul, they're going to give some back unless they make another deal somewhere.

It's a close call but I rank beverly the better defender. His on ball pressure is second to none in the nba. He gets after it.

But yes, I agree, they did not get better defensively. I would classify it as a veey slight regression.