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    James Johnson would make sense on court, because he's an inexpensive, poor man's Draymond Green/Millsap, but he's never had a good reputation, so I can't imagine Spurs signing him.

    Mark Deeks has Spurs at $74.788.748M, for 11 players. Add a minimum roster charge and they're at $75M and change. If they could get Millsap, in a sign-and-trade for Aldridge (Hawks could keep or re-route) for 3/$75M, with maybe a partially guaranteed 4th, to get him closer in total value to best offer, that would put them at about $79M. If they could get Hill at something like 3/$54M, that would put them at about $97M. Then trade Green for an '18 1st, dropping down to $87M and re-sign Gasol for 2/$24M.

    That would mean they could only sign Simmons if they don't have to use cap space, but I'm skeptical they'd go that far to keep him anyway. If they don't have to, re-sign him and use the room exception on Reed. If they do, let him walk and use it on Afflalo.
    Parker, Murray, White
    Green, Simmons (?) Forbes
    Kawhi, Anderson
    Aldridge, Bertans, Blossomgame

    Those contracts plus a roster charge (and the dead money from Tim and LJC) add up to $79,793,938, not $74 Million. If I had to guess the discrepancy, I'd say that those other numbers use current-CBA salary slots and not new-CBA slots. Pretty much every cheap contract got more expensive. Murray, Bertans and Forbes saw salary increases beyond what their initial contracts implied. And going forward, the hold for picks is 120 the rookie scale, not 100 percent.

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    Regardless, all these loyalty contracts will be off the books for next year..no more guaranteed minutes for Parker, Ginobili will be retired, don't have to feel obligation to Green for taking less if he continues to decline as a player, no loyalty to Pau, Aldridge remaining content(if he remains a Spur), etc..Spurs have a lot more baggage on their roster than other teams..

    There's no other team in the NBA that has so many off-court variables to consider when building their roster, at the moment..
    Good points. It's time to move on.

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    He can defend anyone and be the PnR diver for the other 4 on O (usually its Dray).

    McCaw is on the rise and should be getting better while Iggy is on the decline. They can go Draymond KD Klay McCaw Curry as well.

    Point being, going forward to 2018, they won't skip a beat and shouldn't pay Iggy.
    It doesn't matter. They won't be able to sustain this super team for the long haul. This team will be broken up in a few years. When I say long haul, I'm talking a 5 year reign and beyond. Egos, injuries, le droughts, cap suffocation, Kerr's health, age, and the NBA catching up to them will pretty much happen in the next 2 years. History has proven this to be a guaranteed lock.

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    Defending at the 5 in todays NBA consist of being able to defend in the PnR in space and recover or switch and being able to stay infront of the perimeter player, box out -- limit offensive boards.

    Teams aren't initiating offense inside anymore. Post defense isn't as a necessity as it once was. Not close.
    Post-ups aren't going away. They haven't stopped being an issue for mismatches. You push too strongly for generalization, and the specialists get you.

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    Defending at the 5 in todays NBA consist of being able to defend in the PnR in space and recover or switch and being able to stay infront of the perimeter player, box out -- limit offensive boards.

    Teams aren't initiating offense inside anymore. Post defense isn't as a necessity as it once was. Not close.

    Heh. If it was a sure thing, Boban would be an All-Star.

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    Post-ups aren't going away. They haven't stopped being an issue for mismatches. You push too strongly for generalization, and the specialists get you.
    Post ups are inefficient, last resort options if things get tough in the first 15-18 seconds of the shot clock. Used in volume, its not a recipe for success.

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    Post ups are inefficient, last resort options if things get tough in the first 15-18 seconds of the shot clock. Used in volume, its not a recipe for success.
    The Spurs' "Beautiful Game" relied heavily on early post-ups. Just because you play a free-flowing amoebic offense doesn't take away the leverage of a mismatch near the basket. The basket has the most gravity on the court.

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    I sure hope this is true. We could finally stop talking about Hill...

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    Parker, Murray, White
    Green, Simmons (?) Forbes
    Kawhi, Anderson
    Aldridge, Bertans, Blossomgame

    Those contracts plus a roster charge (and the dead money from Tim and LJC) add up to $79,793,938, not $74 Million. If I had to guess the discrepancy, I'd say that those other numbers use current-CBA salary slots and not new-CBA slots. Pretty much every cheap contract got more expensive. Murray, Bertans and Forbes saw salary increases beyond what their initial contracts implied. And going forward, the hold for picks is 120 the rookie scale, not 100 percent.

    You got Forbes sticking, and at the 2? I know they drafted White, but I just figured he's in Austin most of the year. Man, it's hard to be a 6'3" shooting guard - especially when you're 6'2", and had the lowest TS% on the team. I thought they would keep forcing him in at the point, at least until Tony gets back.

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    Parker, Murray, White
    Green, Simmons (?) Forbes
    Kawhi, Anderson
    Aldridge, Bertans, Blossomgame

    Those contracts plus a roster charge (and the dead money from Tim and LJC) add up to $79,793,938, not $74 Million. If I had to guess the discrepancy, I'd say that those other numbers use current-CBA salary slots and not new-CBA slots. Pretty much every cheap contract got more expensive. Murray, Bertans and Forbes saw salary increases beyond what their initial contracts implied. And going forward, the hold for picks is 120 the rookie scale, not 100 percent.
    Could still work, but would have to be tighter squeeze obviously. Knock off $1-2M for Millsap, 2M for Hill and Gasol.

    Whatever the machinations, Millsap should be number one priority. Hill, if he's that determined to sign with Spurs, should have to take substantial discount. If he's not willing to, just keep Green and go with relatively inexpensive veteran PG, like Williams or Calderon.

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    As soon as the nba penalise interior contact, the post up game will come back.

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    The Spurs' "Beautiful Game" relied heavily on early post-ups. Just because you play a free-flowing amoebic offense doesn't take away the leverage of a mismatch near the basket. The basket has the most gravity on the court.


    No it did not. You're wrong here.

    The beautiful game relied on effective PnR dives from Tim, Splitter and Diaw -- putting pressure towards the rim off dives and finding the weakside wide open option off the catch when diving. Diaw, Tim and Splitter were awesome at it from all angles, the High PnR. the side PnR, you name it.

    The basket does have the most gravity, but you can't get that gravity off post ups unless you have prime Duncan, Dream or Shaq on your team. There's currently not one guy in the league that can create the type of gravity you need from posting up.

    In place of this, teams now utilize the PnR diver as the one guy in the offense to create the gravity that's needed towards the rim to really get the defense to bend -- which opens up the weakside portion of the floor. If you have perimeter players on the weakside that can attack hard close outs -- that's when you can really demoralize defenses.

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    Could still work, but would have to be tighter squeeze obviously. Knock off $1-2M for Millsap, 2M for Hill and Gasol.

    Whatever the machinations, Millsap should be number one priority. Hill, if he's that determined to sign with Spurs, should have to take substantial discount. If he's not willing to, just keep Green and go with relatively inexpensive veteran PG, like Williams or Calderon.
    They should save most of the trouble by just doing the signings before the S&T. I'd rather have Teague than Hill though.

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    No it did not. You're wrong here.

    The beautiful game relied on effective PnR dives from Tim, Splitter and Diaw -- putting pressure towards the rim off dives and finding the weakside wide open option off the catch when diving. Diaw, Tim and Splitter were awesome at it from all angles, the High PnR. the side PnR, you name it.

    The basket does have the most gravity, but you can't get that gravity off post ups unless you have prime Duncan, Dream or Shaq on your team. There's currently not one guy in the league that can create the type of gravity you need.

    In place of this, teams now utilize the PnR Diver as the one guy in the offense to create the gravity that's needed towards the rim to open up the weakside portion of the floor.
    Nope. The Spurs ran motion weak back then too. And the first option of motion weak is that post-up off the cross screen. The second option was the PnR if the post-up didn't work. Diaw made a lot of his impact out of those quick post-ups.

    The issue isn't the play; it's how the Spurs are running it now. It's too slow and too hesitant. In 2014, those entry passes where so quick the posting big hadn't even gotten in position by the team the ball was in the air. Now they wait until the defender has gotten into position and pushed the posting big out to the three-point line. Diaw also too few fadeaways, which is something he had over LMA easily.

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    You got Forbes sticking, and at the 2? I know they drafted White, but I just figured he's in Austin most of the year. Man, it's hard to be a 6'3" shooting guard - especially when you're 6'2", and had the lowest TS% on the team. I thought they would keep forcing him in at the point, at least until Tony gets back.
    I was trying to figure out what Deek's numbers were. I do thin Forbes has a good chance to stick, though. But it will depend on how he does in the Summer League.

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    Nope. The Spurs ran motion weak back then too. And the first option of motion weak is that post-up off the cross screen. The second option was the PnR if the post-up didn't work. Diaw made a lot of his impact out of those quick post-ups.

    The issue isn't the play; it's how the Spurs are running it now. It's too slow and too hesitant. In 2014, those entry passes where so quick the posting big hadn't even gotten in position by the team the ball was in the air. Now they wait until the defender has gotten into position and pushed the posting big out to the three-point line. Diaw also too few fadeaways, which is something he had over LMA easily.
    You're implying as if motion weak was the staple and everything was developed off post ups. That's not the case. Spurs had many options but most of their offensive attack was initiated from the perimeter and the diver.

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    Strong.

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    I was trying to figure out what Deek's numbers were. I do thin Forbes has a good chance to stick, though. But it will depend on how he does in the Summer League.

    Gotcha. I wasn't arguing - I was just surprised. They do seem to like him. I'm sure they've seen more that we have.

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    You're implying as if motion weak was the staple and everything was developed off post ups. That's not the case. Spurs had many options but most of their offensive attack was initiated from the perimeter and the diver.
    Motion weak has been their main play since 2012.

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    Motion weak has been their main play since 2012.
    So you're saying they've been initiating everything off post play since 2012, correct?

    If that's what you're saying, you're wrong.

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    lee declines player option

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    Ahhh... never mind.

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    Blake Griffin to the...............Suns? Good news is that if PHX is looking at Blake for max and don't get him, that means they want a win now PF. LMA could definitley be a fit then.

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