He has multiple seasons of shooting around 40% from three, almost all of them coming in the last years (which means that he has clearly improved as a shooter). And those % are from shooting off the dribble, as a spot up shooter (which was your point) he must shoot better than that. So yeah, I don't see the problem with Paul as a spot up shooter, tbh.
So it's 4-3 then.
He shot over 37.1% twice in the last six seasons.
Not sure if he will be a spot up shooter, because that's not his game.
Everybody shoots better as a spot up shooter than off the dribble. Paul himself said that he's looking forward to playing more off ball. Give Paul 10 open catch and shoot opportunities and he will definitely make at least 4 of those, probably more.
I'll believe it when I see it. He's never played that way in his life.
Payton didn't do too well as a spot up, neither did drexler.
Both were ty shooters. Anyways, both won their respective championships as spot up players.
Miami didn't win because of Payton. Houston won when drexler was a slasher. He suffered horribly when he became a spot up next to Barkley Olajuwon and Pippen. Speaking of Pippen, he suffered too.Both were ty shooters. Anyways, both won their respective championships as spot up players.
Readly doubt that Melo goes to the Rockets given the history between D'Antoni and Melo at the Knicks. I think it much more likely that either Paul George of Gordan Hayward ends up as the last star player piece.
not true some guys are rhythm shooters .. my guess, for example, Westbrook fits in that category ...and he is not the only one ...
Everybody, without exception, shoots better when catching and shooting while waiting static on a position, than after having to dribble the ball.
You keep bringing up players who aren't even half the shooters Paul is. And I don't know how choosey do you want your argument but Drexler won his championship as a second option, if Drexler got to keep playing his style while being a second option, why can't Paul?
You are probably going to say "because Harden is a ball dominant player." well, 1st: so was Hakeem on the block, and 2nd, there are lots of possessions to go around. If Harden was able to co-exist, on the same team, with Durant and Westbrook, how is he not going to be able to play alongside Paul?
Also, if Wade and Lebron, who are worse shooters than Paul and Harden, made it work, why can't Harden and Paul?
Last edited by DAF86; 06-29-2017 at 06:06 PM.
When did I say paul can't be a second option on a championship team? I said him joining the Spurs or the rockets aren't going to do a thing (unless they make some other significant moves).
I brought up players who's impacts were negligible and expectations not met when shoved into a spot up shooter role. If you don't want to argue those points, then don't. Stop making up and argue against it to win an argument.
As for drexler, he wasn't a spot up shooter in 95. He was with Barkley and Hakeem. Try to follow along.
Last piece of a 2nd round exit
You said two things:
1) that you don't know how Paul makes Houston better.
I have a problem with that since I'm definitely positive that the Rockets will go from the 3rd best team in the West to the 2nd best, passing the Spurs. (even if they don't finish higher than the Spurs in the standings, they will definitely own us on a playoffs series given that the Rockets were already tough for us and now they added our daddy). That's making a team better, tbh.
2) And then you said Paul isn't a good enough shooter to be a spot up player, when that just isn't true. Even if he just shoots his career average of 37%, he will be a good enough spot up option; but he will probably shoot better than that because he already shot 41% last season and next season he will have more chances of taking open, comfortable shots.
I'm not certain this allows the rockets to leapfrog the Spurs in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure they'd do better in the regular season but more because of the Spurs getting worse than them getting better. In the playoffs, two ball dominant players who rarely plays off the ball aren't likely to work together.
As for a spot up, he's just not it. Not sure how you think everyone becomes better but shooting standing still translates to being better as a spot up shooter. A spot up shooter has to find open spots for shots and run around screens without the ball and stuff. You think that just happens when paul never played that way?
bull . No exceptions? not talking wide open gym shots ...in game some guys shoot better off the dribble.
if that is not the case why are some good in gane shooters like Iggy ty FT shooters? that is a wide open and static as it gets ..
im not saying what you saying isnt true the vast majority of the time ...just saying i bet if you crunch the data ...there are outliers ...there has to be ...even if its in a smaller sample of the data set.
Not saying it will definitely not work but he is ignoring the fact that part of the reason he shoots well in post ups is the rhythmn he builds by getting buckets in his comfort zone pounding the rock and working his midrange in pnr. That is why analysts always encourage shooters to get a easy layup for shooters that are struggling. Playing off ball is not easy ...miss a few open shots and it can with even the best shooters confidence especially in high pressure, high leverage moments.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 06-29-2017 at 11:53 PM.
No reason to keep arguing this, I will just bump this thread when the time comes.
Chris Paul will not raise the Rockets above the Spurs. That's because James Harden will not give up his production as a PG, and Chris Paul will not give up his production as a PG. We know James at the 2 isn't going to shake the world because he doesn't play defense and just hangs around the perimeter. Unless the Rockets expect to play small ball with a SSOL mentality, one that would be completely foreign to Chris Paul, then I think the Rockets take a step back, unless they get Paul George as well.
feel free ...i did not say it wont work just saying being a catch and shoot guy like Korver vs. a pnr or iso scorer are different skill sets. Paul is a great enough player to adjust and I think he will but i dont think it will be seamless. good news for Rox is my guess dantoni will have Paul stay on ball as PG and Harden will go back to SG ...
So what happens if Kawhi gets more all-NBA 1st team votes than Lebron? Will you own up to the bet or are you pulling out because of Durant's injury? Kawhi did get more MVP votes afterall.
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