I am officially DONE with PATFO.

[MaNu4Tres]

To be honest, the fact that PATFO somehow managed to get 1 superstar and a collection of corpses to the WCF is pretty damn amazing.

WCF is a great feat but lets put some context into the equation. The NBA and the West was watered down compared to other years. Houston was the only decent threat and Spurs struggled to get past Memphis.

So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is? Complacency with re-signing parts that dont move the needle will be the reason this team doesnt progress -- all while most other WC teams are doing everything they can to make gains on the Warriors.

Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.

[TheGreatYacht]

To be honest, the fact that PATFO somehow managed to get 1 superstar and a collection of corpses to the WCF is pretty damn amazing.

Nothing amazing about that. The only thing PATFO managed to do was wear down Kawhi's body by carrying scrubs.

Unfortunately Drunkford is on pace to bring back that same ty roster, but more expensive. Pretty sure Kawhi's family is already in Cali and is staying there till he gets back in free agency.

[SuperCam]

To be honest, the fact that PATFO somehow managed to get 1 superstar and a collection of corpses to the WCF is pretty damn amazing.

Harden did the same thing in 2015 and yet there weren't any Morey suckers on clutchfans talking about standing pat. Only spurfan has this moral victory mentality

[MaNu4Tres]

Harden did the same thing in 2015 and yet there weren't any Morey suckers on clutchfans talking about standing pat. Only spurfan has this moral victory mentality

Exactly.

[TheGreatYacht]

Harden did the same thing in 2015 and yet there weren't any Morey suckers on clutchfans talking about standing pat. Only spurfan has this moral victory mentality

[sasaint]

WCF is a great feat but lets put some context into the equation. The NBA and the West was watered down compared to other years. Houston was the only decent threat and Spurs struggled to get past Memphis.

So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is? Complacency with re-signing parts that dont move the needle will be the reason this team doesnt progress -- all while most other WC teams are doing everything they can to make gains on the Warriors.

Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.

PATFO have operated for two decades with a safety net of players unique in the history of sports. The core of Timmy, Manu and Tony (and even DRob in the early years) have given PATFO (and many fans) a feeling of en lement that has bred a sense of complacency. The much discussed GHill trade was about the only bold move the team has made in that entire time. PATFO has never felt any pressure to add a good young piece on an even rare basis for +/- 20 years. I think this season the chickens will all come home to roost. Without some unforeseen (and out-of-character) bold move between now and training camp, I believe we might expect another 50-win season; however truly competing with the Dubs is an unrealistic goal. In fact, fending off the up-coming teams who aim to compete with US after two decades of futility will be a big challenge this season. Another 50 wins will be a hard-fought accomplishment. Even winning a playoff series this season should be counted as success.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

WCF is a great feat but lets put some context into the equation. The NBA and the West was watered down compared to other years. Houston was the only decent threat and Spurs struggled to get past Memphis.

So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is? Complacency with re-signing parts that dont move the needle will be the reason this team doesnt progress -- all while most other WC teams are doing everything they can to make gains on the Warriors.

Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.

[spursistan]

Harden did the same thing in 2015 and yet there weren't any Morey suckers on clutchfans talking about standing pat. Only spurfan has this moral victory mentality

This..

Damn, Supercam been destroying all PATFO-suckers this past week ..

[spursistan]

PATFO have chosen to stand pat -- as they like their team apparently-- despite the fact that a fluke Danny Green drive for an And-1 in Game 5 of Houston series was the difference between them losing in R2 in 6 and being up 23 HT vs a rusty Golden Sate ..

[apalisoc_9]

And yet media gives the 00-03 run all the credit to PATFO when it is painfully obvious it was all TD.

I bet you if they win 50+ again...the narrative would be so smart patfo when in reality they're getting carried by kawhi.




Take no blame and get all the credit. Brilliant move by RC and POp to save their own assess.

[140]

tday's PATF

[Chillen]

PATFO have chosen to stand pat -- as they like their team apparently-- despite the fact that a fluke Danny Green drive for an And-1 in Game 5 of Houston series was the difference between them losing in R2 in 6 and being up 23 HT vs a rusty Golden Sate ..

Spurs will be lucky to win 50 games next season with Parker being out till January. Standing pat was not a good idea but it looks like they don't want to make any moves since nothing has happened and all the good players have signed. Derrick Rose is still possible but I doubt it happens.

[140]

Spurs will be lucky to win 50 games next season despite Parker being out till January. Standing pat was not a good idea but it looks like they don't want to make any moves since nothing has happened and all the good players have signed. Derrick Rose is still possible but I doubt it happens.

fify tbh

[TimDunkem]

Harden did the same thing in 2015 and yet there weren't any Morey suckers on clutchfans talking about standing pat. Only spurfan has this moral victory mentality

Truth bomb.

[TD 21]

WCF is a great feat but lets put some context into the equation. The NBA and the West was watered down compared to other years. Houston was the only decent threat and Spurs struggled to get past Memphis.

So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is? Complacency with re-signing parts that dont move the needle will be the reason this team doesnt progress -- all while most other WC teams are doing everything they can to make gains on the Warriors.

Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.

[TimDunkem]

WCF is a great feat but lets put some context into the equation. The NBA and the West was watered down compared to other years. Houston was the only decent threat and Spurs struggled to get past Memphis.

So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is? Complacency with re-signing parts that dont move the needle will be the reason this team doesnt progress -- all while most other WC teams are doing everything they can to make gains on the Warriors.

Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.

Preach..

[ECOV]

Spurs will be lucky to win 50 games next season with Parker being out till January. Standing pat was not a good idea but it looks like they don't want to make any moves since nothing has happened and all the good players have signed. Derrick Rose is still possible but I doubt it happens.

dont count your chickens before they hatch.

[tmtcsc]

So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is?

Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.

The much discussed GHill trade was about the only bold move the team has made in that entire time. competing with the Dubs is an unrealistic goal.

Harden did the same thing in 2015 and yet there weren't any Morey suckers on clutchfans talking about standing pat. Only spurfan has this moral victory mentality

Y'all are trippin.

Lets start with M4T - All I said was that it was amazing PATFO got the Spurs to the WCF with Kawhi and a bunch of corpses. I'd argue that the Spurs may have had the LEAST talented collection of players in every matchup they were in. Also, I never said anything to imply things were "great as is". Free agency isn't over yet and I am certain the Spurs will look for value plays. How can you say that the F.O overvalues culture & continuity when their way of doing things has resulted in arguably the most successful franchise in sports?

It was only 2 years ago that the Spurs did what was necessary to sign the # 1 available free agent. I'm not sure how that doesn't even register with you. They moved Tiago Splitter to create the necessary cap space. In addition, they jettisoned or allowed 6 additional players (including Marco Belineli, Corey Joseph & Aaron Baynes) from that roster to walk. The following season they traded Boris Diaw (an important piece in their Championship runs) to Utah in order to bring in Pau Gasol. How is that being content, complacent and sticking with the status quo?

Lastly - Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker were in their primes nearly 10+ years ago. I think its safe to say the organization didn't rely on those guys' talent alone to carry them to all those consecutive 50+ win seasons. Pieces were put around them and a system in place that would maximize their value. As a consequence of all the wins, the Spurs consistently drafted in poor positions. They had to find a way to get key pieces by being smart. I think the results speak for themselves. Every year, talking heads, analysts and a bunch of people in this forum write them off. Too old, time's up, never do anything exciting...blah blah blah...and they just keep winning.

BTW, who said they stood pat? We have no idea what they've tried to do. Maybe they tried to trade LA's sorry ass. They didn't have a chance to speak with Chris Paul & Indiana decided to give Paul George away. What other FA's available this year were better than what will be available next year?


SASAINT - Beating GS is unrealistic? Maybe so, but IMO the Spurs were structured to beat them and would have challenged them more than any other team. I'm not saying they would have won, but you tell me what other teams in the league had four consecutive games where they led GS by 20 points. The almighty Warriors, supposedly one of the best teams ever assembled, a team featuring four all-stars and the DPOY, were getting their asses kicked by KL and a roster featuring four players over 34 and six new additions to the "complacent" team.


SuperCam, I'm not sure I've seen any posts in this forum advocating that the Spurs stand pat. And please don't compare the Spurs to the hapless Rockets. WTF have they won in the last 20 plus years? Sure, they have big name players coming through their organization year after year but they don't win . Their GM acts like he's playing Fantasy basketball and yet it doesn't result in LOB trophies. Clutchfans wanted James Harden traded just as much as Spurs fans wanted LA gone. They're a gimmicky-ass organization and CP3 isn't going to help them go any further than they did this past year. But hey, who cares right? They've got a new toy to roll out and make everyone happy until the Spurs beat them again with a bunch of nobodies.

[therealtruth]

And yet media gives the 00-03 run all the credit to PATFO when it is painfully obvious it was all TD.

I bet you if they win 50+ again...the narrative would be so smart patfo when in reality they're getting carried by kawhi.




Take no blame and get all the credit. Brilliant move by RC and POp to save their own assess.

Exactly. Making WCF was all about Kawhi's greatness. As the guys on Inside the NBA said, we know who's the best player in the WC. I think Kawhi set a record for being the only all-star on a 60 win team.

[daslicer]

Exactly. Making WCF was all about Kawhi's greatness. As the guys on Inside the NBA said, we know who's the best player in the WC. I think Kawhi set a record for being the only all-star on a 60 win team.

Tim Duncan won 60 games in '03 along with winning the le without any all-stars.

[tholdren]

Exactly. Making WCF was all about Kawhi's greatness. As the guys on Inside the NBA said, we know who's the best player in the WC. I think Kawhi set a record for being the only all-star on a 60 win team.

Stupid

[TheGreatYacht]

Stupid

^ thinks David Lee and Bertans contributed. Only them

[timtonymanu]

WCF is a great feat but lets put some context into the equation. The NBA and the West was watered down compared to other years. Houston was the only decent threat and Spurs struggled to get past Memphis.

So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is? Complacency with re-signing parts that dont move the needle will be the reason this team doesnt progress -- all while most other WC teams are doing everything they can to make gains on the Warriors.

Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.

Damn truth ing bombs

buh buh PATFO
WCF

[tholdren]

^ thinks David Lee and Bertans contributed. Only them

Thinks parker was worse than gasol^

[Spurtacular]

PATFO holding the organization hostage, tbh, by not trading away Parker. His contract holding up valuable resources.