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We don't know how much Pau will take up. It's looking like he won't be taking up any now.
I'm kind of surprised. I didn't expect the Spurs to do essentially nothing. Guess they got ran out by teams willing to spend money. Cut bait until next year?
We don't know how much Pau will take up. It's looking like he won't be taking up any now.
Olynik's forte is arms, if I recall correctly.
All seriousness aside, Olynik played like a stud against the Cavs.
If the Spurs offer this and he rejects it, it will be the biggest indicator of his intentions and the team's trajectory. But Kawhi already having a ring and routinely making it deep in the playoffs gives a different coloring to his decision than it has for others.
If Simmons walks or they tell Parker to off and renounce him.
Not just that, but Mills' deal will almost certainly be tradeable. And Gasol may not even get a multi year deal. If they operate above cap, they can just pay him more this year and be done.
The potential 2018 max slot doesn't excuse the legacy deals being given to guys like Patty or the opt-out-for-longer deal that's going to be given to Pau. And lol thinking they'd trade Patty Mills.
Pau doesn't have any contract now
Correct. Re-read.
So you didn't want the Spurs to sign anyone this off-season? Because the Mills and Gasol transactions were made with that in mind. Dunno why you think the team would go back on its word to guys who gave them flexibility in the first place.
I didn't want them to give Patty that atrocious deal, particularly considering the market available for similar players. And I also would have preferred that they have Pau opt in so that he'd expire sooner.
The legacy/culture contracts are an antiquated model that's hamstringing the franchise from moving forward. If there are no FAs that will move the needle this coming year, then the appropriate response cannot be to "give your word" to your own players, lock them up for longer, and hurt your future cap. Cleaning house would have been much preferable to how they've approached FA this year.
Do you honestly think the moves they're making are good?
Today's NBA on tenterhooks over Gordan in Hayward Free agency...CROFL..
Does this sucker actually think he is superstar?..
Hmm.. Memphis getting another PF?
Don't get my hopes up
so when does free agency finish?
We still don't know what Pau will sign for or for how long. However, you are avoiding my question: Did you want the team to sign anyone this off-season? Both the Pau and Patty moves were made to maximize cap space this year. Mills agreed to his deal early, which both meant that he got more than he may have gotten had he sat on the market longer and that he risked getting less than he could have gotten had he not agreed so quickly. The important thing to the Spurs was Patty's $6.8-Million hold. That an Gasol opting out allowed them to lock in two rotation players for $16-18 Million. Doing that and bringing back Simmons while trading away Green and LMA for picks would have left them with this:
Mills, Murray
Simmons, White
Leonard, Anderson
Bertans, Blossomgame
Gasol
And a max slot plus whatever picks they got from the deal. Letting Mills walk and keeping Pau on the books would have left them with that same roster minus Mills but with even less space, along with a "point-guard or bust" mentality. So now that they have only Murray and White as PGs and possibly not even Simmons at SG (since they couldn't risk waiting up him with offer sheets taking up cap space instantly now) they can't afford to wait out Hill like SAC could, so they give him $25 Million and have no room to replace LMA. And even if Simmons stay, the Spurs are so desperate to replace Green that they match an Arenas deal NYK offers. So now you have Hill and Simmons taking up $39 Million in space next season rather than Mills taking up $12.5 Million all for the benefit of having an even worst team than you had last year.
It's easy to understand why the Spurs did what they did, even if it's almost as easy to question it in hindsight.
And before people talk about how Patty would have gotten even less on the market, we have no idea if he would have been Philly's choice over Re or not, or Minny's choice over Teague. The Spurs never gave us the chance to see. But I think especially with the Sixers, he could have been making bank, even on a one-year deal.
06/30/2018
Have no idea what Memphis plans are with the PF position. They do have Rabb and Deyonta Davis. Maybe a youth movement? Green not even that old. Sign and trade for LMA for Rabb, Green and Baldwin? Tonight you, I'm sorry. I took Jyras bait.
It's just comical how badly they overvalued themselves: a career role-player who has just had his peak, injury-riddled season ( a pedestrian 16 Pts/4 Ast) suddenly thought of himself as a max-caliber point guard at age 31Damn, that 12:01 panic move could be remembered here for a long time
Zach Lowe said that Mills was a desirable piece for a number of teams..Spurs panicked and jumped the gun once Hill declined to take less, afraid that somebody would entice Patty, I suppose..I love Mills, but he's not going to make or break your season, damn
George Hill and his agent played one of the worst FA games I've seen in a minute, though..
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Memphis made a July 1 offer to restricted free agent JaMychal Green and are now awaiting an offer sheet, league sources tell ESPN.
At Hill's representation (would imagine him/them will be fired in short order), Spurs and anyone who bought into the notion of Hill getting $25-30M per . . . said all along that he'd end up in high teens to $20M range. Once Teague got 3/$57M, it was clear he'd get that and once Millsap got team option 3rd season, I thought he'd get that or partial guarantee.
PG and C are the most saturated positions in the league and there's now been a market correction with them. Unless you have an elite one, you don't pay top dollar for it because it's easy to find a similar player at a lesser price.
Is it possible Kawhi sees a decent amount of time at the 4 this year? It seems like the offseason is pulling us that way. I'm actually kind of okay with that...I think
The team's ceiling remains the same with or without Patty/Pau. Neither of those two players will alter the outcome of a series with GSW. If there was a way to make the cap-magic work by signing Hill for around 19MM while losing one of Patty or Simmons (or waiving/stretching Parker, if the team were so inclined) (while telling Pau to opt-in), then I'd be all for that signing.
Other than that, I'd rather have the Spurs start cleaning house. The cap-space eaten by a 6' SG is better served to make room to take in players in a possible LMA trade or on 2018 FAs. I don't care to have two "rotation players" on long term deals who don't move the needle against the only team that matters?
You're also ignoring the third pg (Parker) who won't be traded or waived.
Again, you're dodging my question -- do you honestly thing locking up Patty at 4/50MM and re-upping Pau are good deals? Do they move the ball forward against GSW?
they saw dat conley deal tbh...It's just comical how badly they overvalued themselves: a career role-player who has just had his peak, injury-riddled season ( a pedestrian 16 Pts/4 Ast) suddenly thought of himself as a max-caliber point guard at age 31
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