Whats the hold up on Simmons??

[SAGirl]

I said before that a one-and-one at the MLE would make the most sense for both sides. When I said that, the MLE was supposed to be like $6 Million, but on a deal this short, that doesn't make too big of a difference.

I agree. I think he thought there would be a lot of rich offers this summer, but teams are already saddled with bad contracts from last summer and don't have wads of cash like last summer either. I thought he'd get more, not going to lie, but there are too many wings still in the market: Hardayway Jr., Evans, Waiters, etc.
I think the Spurs offer of 2 years guaranteed was a good one. But if he wants a chance at possibly more again next summer FA, after showing a full season of consistency, and bet on himself he can do a 1 and 1.

[SAGirl]

No. I agree that they all aren't starting. My rush to judgment was about the bolded part of your comment.

I get it, but that too... unless they play well, even more rich.
But they have a lot more opportunities yet... so you are right. We haven't seen much yet.

[look_at_g_shred]

I get it, but that too... unless they play well, even more rich.
But they have a lot more opportunities yet... so you are right. We haven't seen much yet.

Ok look, I think Kyle's ceiling is 6MOTY. Averaging 10/8/8

[CGD]

Money drying up. NYC or bust it seems for that bigger offer.

[sasaint]

Simmons will win MIP tbh

If he puts it all together consistently, he could. I hope he does!

[SAGirl]

Ok look, I think Kyle's ceiling is 6MOTY. Averaging 10/8/8

I really only want him to get a chance in the rotation.
I don't have expectations he'll be starting, but I don't think Bertans will either, if I am honest.
LaDiva Aldridge is going to still start at PF with any center Pop can find. But I do want both to be playing regularly.

[sasaint]

Ok look, I think Kyle's ceiling is 6MOTY. Averaging 10/8/8

I think that means you are higher on Kyle than SAGirl! I have liked the guy since his rookie year, although my enthusiasm waned last season. I don't see Kyle doing that. Boris never did that on the Spurs, for example.

[sasaint]

I really only want him to get a chance in the rotation.
I don't have expectations he'll be starting, but I don't think Bertans will either, if I am honest.
LaDiva Aldridge is going to still start at PF with any center Pop can find. But I do want both to be playing regularly.

LMA will be the starting 5 if we don't pick up another big (or, hopefully, trade him). I have this much faith in Pop: he will not trot out Pau and LMA as the starting bigs. I think to start the season LMA is the 5 and Kyle is the 4.

[look_at_g_shred]

I think that means you are higher on Kyle than SAGirl! I have liked the guy since his rookie year, although my enthusiasm waned last season. I don't see Kyle doing that. Boris never did that on the Spurs, for example.

all he needs is a consistent 3 ball. Dude is an elite rebounder and passer.

[ernest787]

all he needs is a consistent 3 ball. Dude is an elite rebounder and passer.

when did 3 rebounds and less than 2 assist per game qualify as an elite rebounder and passer?

[look_at_g_shred]

when did 3 rebounds and less than 2 assist per game qualify as an elite rebounder and passer?

As soon as I read this my mind did what's in your avi.

[SAGirl]

LMA will be the starting 5 if we don't pick up another big (or, hopefully, trade him). I have this much faith in Pop: he will not trot out Pau and LMA as the starting bigs. I think to start the season LMA is the 5 and Kyle is the 4.

Maybe. I will admit I am a bit negative about this bc I don't want to get my hopes up. The letdown is worse than if I just expect the same old Pop.

I do think if he stays LMA needs to be transitioning to play more center, plus he has done better in those situations... Not only that, but Spurs owe it to their younger players to develop them through the season in a variety of lineups, including a lot of small ball lineups that he refused to play through the season last season when he stayed with 2 bigs for a huge majority (95% of the time)... then in the playoffs his 2 bigs couldn't get it done and he started putting guys in situations they hadn't been in through the season. But I have a su ion (and this is speculation) that him playing center is one of the main reasons he asked for the trade.

[SAGirl]

I think that means you are higher on Kyle than SAGirl! I have liked the guy since his rookie year, although my enthusiasm waned last season. I don't see Kyle doing that. Boris never did that on the Spurs, for example.

I think Kyle could do it in a bad team, not in the Spurs. But really this is a young guy who is not in his prime yet and has never played major minutes in a rotation. When he's played around 25-30 minutes 10/5/5 seems like something he can do nightly, maybe more.

[sasaint]

Maybe. I will admit I am a bit negative about this bc I don't want to get my hopes up. The letdown is worse than if I just expect the same old Pop.

I do think if he stays LMA needs to be transitioning to play more center, plus he has done better in those situations... Not only that, but Spurs owe it to their younger players to develop them through the season in a variety of lineups, including a lot of small ball lineups that he refused to play through the season last season when he stayed with 2 bigs for a huge majority (95% of the time)... then in the playoffs his 2 bigs couldn't get it done and he started putting guys in situations they hadn't been in through the season. But I have a su ion (and this is speculation) that him playing center is one of the main reasons he asked for the trade.

I've been su ioning the same thing.

[sasaint]

I think Kyle could do it in a bad team, not in the Spurs. But really this is a young guy who is not in his prime yet and has never played major minutes in a rotation. When he's played around 25-30 minutes 10/5/5 seems like something he can do nightly, maybe more.

Maybe. It's the assists that have me hung up. On the "old" Spurs 5 assists was a lot. 8 was not even what you expected from Tony. On the new iso-Spurs I just don't have a guess.

[SAGirl]

Maybe. It's the assists that have me hung up. On the "old" Spurs 5 assists was a lot. 8 was not even what you expected from Tony. On the new iso-Spurs I just don't have a guess.

good point too.

[Hoops Czar]

This little drama queen making it the Summer of Simmons. You ain't that good nig, just sign already.

[AFBlue]

This little drama queen making it the Summer of Simmons. You ain't that good nig, just sign already.

Absolutely no reason for him to rush the decision. The Spurs have limited flexibility to replace him and still address their other needs, and he's in line for a payday if only one team considers him a solid Plan B. The likelihood he gets a Bazemore offer in the next few days is pretty strong I think.

[cd021]

all he needs is a consistent 3 ball. Dude is an elite rebounder and passer.

He is a 40% career shooter from 3; in the corners, where he takes most of his 3's. It's more about his volume with him, He's still a little trigger shy despite he high percentage. He passes up looks and also has an annoying tendency to step on the 3pt line when he shoots.

I watched a 15 minute offensive highlight video of him from this past season there are at least five occasions where he knocks down a shot but his foot's on the line. For his position is probably an well above average rebounder, in games where he played at least 23 minutes he averaged 6 rebounds a game at SF that's pretty impressive for a 3.

[tmtcsc]

I wanna see Murray start and play 30+mpg. I wanna see Simmons start and play 30+mpg. I wanna see Bertans start and play 30+mpg.

In other words, you want to see the team Tank.

[Down Under]

He is a 40% career shooter from 3; in the corners, where he takes most of his 3's. It's more about his volume with him, He's still a little trigger shy despite he high percentage. He passes up looks and also has an annoying tendency to step on the 3pt line when he shoots.

I watched a 15 minute offensive highlight video of him from this past season there are at least five occasions where he knocks down a shot but his foot's on the line. For his position is probably an well above average rebounder, in games where he played at least 23 minutes he averaged 6 rebounds a game at SF that's pretty impressive for a 3.

His 3pt shooting is already good enough to be a stretch 4 from anywhere - it's gone from 27% to 32% to 37%, as you said his only problem is he's gunshy. He just needs to get it in his head that he has to shoot and if someone closes out hard on him attack the closeout and go to the rim, then find the open man. His first instinct HAS to be to score which is hard because his whole life he's obviously been a pass first guy. Somehow, someway he needs to get a bit selfish if he's going to stay in the league. His defense is excellent - quick hands, good help defender, good rebounder.

[james evans]

In other words, you want to see the team Tank.

so you're saying a starting lineup of green and patty heart at the guards is actually better?

[Chinook]

so you're saying a starting lineup of green and patty heart at the guards is actually better?

Than Murray and Simmons? Yes, probably.

[tmtcsc]

so you're saying a starting lineup of green and patty heart at the guards is actually better?

In most games, definitely. We've heard a lot about Murray's potential from the coaching staff but there's been very little visible evidence for fans to believe it. The guy has been less than impressive. He's still way too raw and can't shoot. Having confidence in yourself or not being afraid is a lot different than just not knowing that you suck. Right now, he sucks at the NBA level. I hate to say this but Derrick Rose is starting to creep in to my mind as an option. Patty is not a PG either and his best traits are wasted in that spot. Dude is what he is, a volume shooter who just needs to launch.

[buttsR4rebounding]

so you're saying a starting lineup of green and patty heart at the guards is actually better?

Quite honestly, from the admittedly small sample size IMO White has a real shot to surpass Murray in the rotation. He seems to make all round better decisions.