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Yep. That contract has pissed me off big time. I think it was a panic move.
Didn't the Spurs get a trade exception for Tiago Splitter? If so, who did they use it on?
Yep. That contract has pissed me off big time. I think it was a panic move.
Barring injury or Lebron leaving CLE, they're pretty much a lock to win it the next 2 years, tbh.
It had to be renounced to sign Aldridge, same as the Diaw trade exception was renounced to sign Pau.
Latest Teodosic rumor is an alleged 3/24 deal with the clippers
There's been so many fake Teodosic stories that you can only believe it when you see it. I don't even know how they would have the cap room, but haven't kept up with their minutae.
If the rumor is true, Spurs are even bigger suckers than before.
I'd much rather have Teodosic on 3/24 than Mills on 4/50, it's not even close.
Both crap defenders, and it would be hard for Teodosic to shoot worse than Mills in the playoffs. But he is an incredible passer and playmaker, he could run the offense without needing an elderly Manu to save him like Mills does.
Heck, Clippers might be yet another team that have leapfrogged the Spurs.
Losing Paul and Crawford, but adding Beverley, Williams, Gallinari, Teodosic, drafting Evans, adding bench guys ...
Meanwhile Kawhi will leave to carry the carcass of Parker, Mills and his atrocious deal, Pau and his deal for an unknown number of years, fat emo Aldridge, see Dedmon walk, spend a first on a player whose path to minutes is blocked, and hope the front office isn't too cheap to pay Simmons while knowing that a Simmons deal on top of the Mills/Gasol tragedies make it harder to sign other players in the future.
Sad.
Dubs are gonna win it all for the next four years.
From the little I've seen of Teodosic and heard about him, I would definitely take him at 3 years at 24M over Mills' contract.
They renounced it to create cap space for LMA.
So you think they win the 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 NBA les? Which would be a 5 peat since they just won the 2017 NBA le.
They can be beat but I highly doubt they can win 5 straight NBA les even if they kept this all going. 2peat, 3peat yeah possible but it's very, very hard to even repeat. Teams are already trying to load up on talent like Houston, Thunder to try and get better since it's the only way to have a chance to beat this team.
I agree. Respect the Clippers' boldness. It could easily be a cas of addition by subtraction.
Yeah but Mills is good in all the HEB commercials, they had to keep him at all costs. lol.
Truth bomb of epic proportions right here.
Who gave Buford the key to the liquor cabinet?
Shoot, maybe he needs the key to the liquor cabinet...
I think olynk would be a great fit here offensively but don't know much about his defense. Can anyone speak to his defense or lack of?
Here are the teams with cap space who could theoretically still sign Simmons to a bigger offer sheet. Feels like NY and Sac are the two biggest threats. Possibly LAL or Mia:
Atlanta - $22 million in space assuming they renounce everyone and more if Crawford is moved / bought out. But would Bud do that to Pop?
Brooklyn - $30 million in space and more if they buy guys out. Already made offer to Porter but will get matched. Doubt Marks does it to Pop too.
Chicago - including Mirtotic, Markkanen and Lauvergne holds, they effectively have $10 million in space. Not enough to make huge offer above the MLE.
Dallas - including Noel hold and assuming they sign Dirk to a lesser deal (say $10 million to be super aggressive), they'll have about $8 million of room. That can be pushed higher by $5 million or so with a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts. Simmons isn't really a fit though, but Cuban could do it to hurt Spurs.
Denver - removing Hibbert cap hold, they're right under the cap.
Indiana - $13 million in cap space if they renounce CJ Miles or someone signs him, and $3 million more if they dump Seraphin/Christmas. Less if they keep CJ Miles.
LA Lakers - $17 million in cap space now that Black got waived.
Miami - tons of cap space with Bosh removed. James Johnson only has $4.8 million cap hold if they keep him. Excluding non-guaranteed guys but including Johnson, they have around $35 million in cap space. This could be a year Riley tries ac ulating draft assets instead from teams looking to clear books. Could be a risk too of an offer sheet.
- Minnesota - less than $6 million assuming everyone is renounced. So not much space
- New York - including their draft pick, about $17 million in cap space. Could be a risk of an offer sheet and we know they've met with Simmons.
- Philadelphia - around $14 million of cap space even after Re /Johnson. Hopefully Brown and the FO don't put the Spurs into a tough spot like last year with Manu. Simmons doesn't really fit what they're trying to do though - won't want to lock up long term money.
- Phoenix - has told teams that they're standing pat, although they have a good $24 million in room excluding Alex Len (who wants him anyway)? Not a fit with Simmons as long as they have Bledsoe and Knight. I see them in a similar spot to Miami, trying to ac ulate some assets knowing the team is a few pieces away.
Sacramento - $24 million in space so could be a real threat to use their space.
Utah - seems that they used up cap space on Ingles but could they keep his lower number on the books in interim? Still will be hard to have tons of cap room.
Capped out teams:
- Boston - used up space on Hayward
- Charlotte - approaching the tax with a yuck roster. Go look for yourself
- Cleveland
- Detroit
- Golden State - MLE gone with Swaggy P
- Houston - also used up MLE already
- LA Clippers
- Memphis - used up MLE on McLemore
- Milwaukee
- New Orleans
- Oklahoma City
- Portland (FIXED)
- Toronto - way into the tax
- Washington
Last edited by cjw; 07-05-2017 at 03:35 PM.
I don't know if the Mills deal with be good or bad. But it pays him for his prime years and they got shot 40% from three, which will get you paid in the league as it sits today. Mills is not a good point guard, well he's adequate and a fine backup, but he's great at change of pace. So while people moan about the contract, Mills does bring something to the table more than just missing threes against a GSW team that sold out to guard him on the three point line.
if I had a gripe, it's that he's below average or feels below average as a creator or finisher in the paint. But that's why Chris Paul is making more than Mills.
Wow, this offseason for the Spurs so far has been a disaster. Clippers sign and traded CP3 to Houston and have arguably gotten better. Yet the Spurs have done nothing but overpay Patty Mills.
Nice write up about Simmons. If Wash match Porter, Nets will turn to KCP with max. I doubt New York new GM will start with overpaying Jonathan Simmons, so we are good. But Sacramento is still in play. No picks for them, lost of cap space, but they have Fox, Hill, Hield, Richardson, Justin Jackson at 2/3 postions, and Simmons doesn't fit their age timeline.
I hope you are rigth about former Spurs' employees don't want to mess with Pop.
If so, Simmons will be back at 2 years full MLE deal with PO at around 10 mil for 3 years.
And this offseason sucks for Spurs. CJ Miles and Rudy Gay are still on the market. As well as David Lee, Jerebko, Afflalo. But those are just roster fillers, none of them will put Spurs in better positon then last year.
The lack of any news with respect to the Spurs is baffling. Unless there's some big trade coming that is contingent on a couple of pieces / details still being worked out, it's just nuts.
On the one hand, the Spurs have always been conservative after deep playoff runs. I can see them looking at the Zaza incident and say "if that doesn't happen, we beat GS and are playing the Cavs for it all."
Okay, great. You also won't have Parker until the All-Star break (at best), don't know what he'll look like when he comes back, Manu's thinking about hanging it up, your bigs couldn't stay on the floor against certain teams, and you've watched Minnesota, Houston, OKC, LAC, and even GSW make upgrades so far.
The Spurs have too many front office contacts throughout the league to not be able to make some moves. The silence is truly baffling at this point.
I actually think the Spurs may be in the mix on Miles. I really like him - positive on both sides of the floor (1.4 points better per 100 possessions on both offense and defense with him on floor last year). Above 40% from three on a high number of attempts. He'd be a solid backup if Anderson were to play more 4.
Olynyk could be on the radar too.
Olynyk is gonna get paid. Utah wants him. CJ Mills is in the mix for 5-7 mil, market for him is very thin.
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