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Problem is he can't change tempo like Patty. He has the shot, but not the speed.
Murray is not a shooting guard. He has no outside shoot. He is definitely being developed to play point. White is more of a shooting guard then Murray.
Either way if Forbes can do what he's doing on an NBA level he will play shooting guard along side Murray and White and on defense they will switch up matchups and Murray and White will guard the shooting guards while Patty and Forbes guard the point.
If ever Murray and White are on the floor together, White will man the shooting guard position and Murray the point, but I'm sure they would share duties as well.
Of course that's assuming they both develop enough to get considerable playing time. But we know how Pop is. Unlikely White sees much court time unless he some how shows enough maturity and high b-ball IQ.
I'm hoping Kawhi can help Murray hone his jumper in the offseason or at least get considerable improvement.
Problem is he can't change tempo like Patty. He has the shot, but not the speed.
you don't know that.
Steph Curry's brother was in the dleague for a good couple of years, had a great summer league in 2015... got a contract in the NBA, and after Sacramento and Mavericks stops, finally was able to reproduce his scoring outbursts in summer league iin the mavs. He reminds me of Seth Curry, he was able to become and NBA player when he added plays off the dribble like those displayed in that video to his already good ability to shoot the 3. Could be a bench microwave with license to be aggressive like Patty has.
I wouldn't say he's done this early.. that is just me of course.
it's hard to see that he is staying long term with the plethora of guards we have.
^ You have a good point there for sure. I'd like for the Spurs to keep him. I have liked him since last season but seeing Pop having him run the point was not great. He also has yet to be scoring and shooting well in the NBA. He didn't do so well for a guy who is an offensive player and needs to be scoring to be impactful. I wouldn't proclaim him gone yet, but you are right, space is tight.
Forbes is a trashcan.
If no defense playing short SG's like Fatty Mills and Gary Neal can be "successful" on the Spurs, so can Forbes
I understand your view and it's a massive gamble and a big weakness but I don't think we've any other choice but to go all in with Murray. The chances of signing any 1st tier or even 2nd tier PG in this free agency or in the future (which is what we'd need to get to challenge GSW) is so remote - we've signed 1 all-start caliber player in our franchise's history. Murray will never be TP, but few will - he's a top 10 PG all time & arguably the best finisher ever at the position. But if Murray turns out to be an above average player at his peak, it will be worth it.
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Sure, but you don't need an all-star point guard. It just can't be a massive hole. Even someone like a Rubio (level player) would be a solid upgrade over all PGs on the Spurs and then you can still spend money else where at more important positions.
Forbes shooting ability was never really in question... it's the other aspects of his game he has to show promise or improvement.
The problem is the money that 2nd tier, 3rd tier one's ($20m for Georgie) are commanding is crazy. I like Rubio, but he's become gunshy because of his shot, he won't shoot if there are guys backing miles off him when he has the ball and he wont't shoot if he's wide open at the end of games. It's a really tough one and I could be wrong but I think this could be a bridging year for the Spurs. Murray is going to need at least another season until he becomes a starting caliber PG. Pretty tough.
i like Forbes already
the Vagrant man's stephen curry, lol
Ppl on here make it seem like Forbes was shooting like Curry last year...dude was sub par at best, horrible most of the time...neither the numbers or eye test support him being a good shooter
Forbes ceiling is Daniels, and you have to gameplan against Daniels, then attack him on D. They not going to be rotational players. They meant to come in when we need shooting. When teams are doubling hard to open things up. If you can hide him on D for that 5 minutes stretch, you can get a lot of value. These guys will remain cheap and should stay in the league. They only fall apart when your playing against two way players.
Bryn definitely has a long term future with spurs if he continues to play at this level on a consistent basis. That's the key for him and every other prospect - consistency. That's what the coaches and scouts are looking for. Doing it once in a while gets you a hard look. Once you do it every time you step on the court then teams want you on their roster. That's what happened with Simmons and Anderson the past two summers. That's why Murray should be very concerned. He just hasn't shown up consistently. There's still time for him to show something. If not, then I would expect the Spurs to not pick up his option after next season especially if Forbes continues to grow and develop.
Yup. Next oldest son after Parker.
I am probably the biggest Murray supporter on ST; I started calling for Pop to give him the keys in the middle of last season before the AS break. But I am very disappointed in what I have seen of him this summer. If the Spurs could package him with LMA for a very good piece in return, I would be all for it.
None of you wanted to package Murray for Paul George, yet now people want to package him. Unbelievable. I mean people said Kawhi and him are untouchable. I found it laughable that people would put him anywhere near Kawhi as untouchable in trades.
I kept telling you all before summer league that if you can package him to get a good/great player back in trade, you do it. No questions asked.
After his summer league performances to date, no chance of that happening as for now.
That's why I said to package him in a trade with LMA. Spurs and fans around here are just too slow and overrate low first round draft picks. The Spurs got lucky with Manu and Tony. I don't know when people are actually going to wake up and realize that. You can't keep relying on that kind of luck. You gotta make bold moves if the opportunity is there.
For the record, I like Murray, but I certainly wouldn't have him on any untouchable trade list like nearly everyone here on Spurstalk had him (that's freaking crazy). Kawhi is the only one on that list for me.
You don't give up on rookies that quickly. Especially if they are young rookies. Murray has ways to go but he has so much potential and could be the best point guard in the draft. Plus you get 3 more years on that sweet rookie contract. Sure if Spurs were discussing Butler trade deals, then yeah because you have Butler locked up. Paul George outright said he is going to the LA. So giving up Murray and LMA for a rental is not a great move. Plus Pacers wanted someone locked up for a few years, hence the Oli deal.
Nope, you still trade him. There is no guarantee he will ever become the best PG from that draft, or even a very good one. Spurs are also trying to win now, not later.
I disagree completely.
Still waiting for John Wall
Good post.
Yes, flashes of brilliance are nice, but consistency is what is demanded by the Spurs.
When Pop inserts you in the game you better shoot well, defend well and not commit any mental lapses. Otherwise someone else on the team deserves that playing time.
A good case study of this is Kyle Anderson. Kyle rarely makes mistakes when the ball is in his hands. However, he has a ton of mental lapses away from the ball. Even worse, he isn't mentally prepared when he gets the ball wide open. He's got a high basketball IQ but the mental lapses are ridiculous.
Danny Green is like that on offense. He does only one thing well, that is catch and shoot 3. However, ton of mental lapses when he passes the ball. Like there's zero situational awareness!
What I like about Forbes is that despite his limited talent, he indeed is improving his mid game. I would rather that he just play like JJ Red , but the added mid-game is a good addition to his game. I also like that he indeed is bulking up. That's also a good sign.
So let's not undervalue this Forbes just yet. He is the Spurs best shooter today and that's something you don't just trade away.
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