I'm not giving up on Murray but it's just unfortunate that they missed the boat on him.
Ironically, Brogdon is closer to Manu when compared to Murray and White. Has size, plays three positions, can hit the three, run the point, poised, good defender, reasonably athletic, and clutch to boot.
Every team passed on him. Spurs were high on him. He is not a lottery pick, but a good player. Murray had potential to be a lottery pick. You have to Roll the dice if you pick 30th every year.
The spurs were also expecting parker to finish his contract . That would give Murray two years of development before seeing any real minutes.
Murray was a great pick and is still a baby. As much as you hype Anderson, based on potential, you should know better.
Yea i dont get it. He was one of the only players to show up against gsw, and played great against elite teams all year.
there are things for sure only Murray can do. He has a freaky quick first step. He can get by guys so quickly. Just on that, his size and his length, he's worth the gamble. Heck I wanted him A LOT last summer bc of that (and his youth, thus the possibility that the flaws we see are fixed over time)... but I knew he wasn't ready to play.
he needs to get stronger, he can't finish through contact and he needs to continue working on his offensive game.
Get you your feelings bro.
They're literally the second best team in the NBA, and the majority of that is their development and evaluation.
Murray is still going to end up being a better player than Brogdon. Brogdon is already fairly close to a finished product, Murray on the other hand has so much more room for growth. The kid can be special if he puts in the effort and fixes some flaws.
Brogdon also played against mostly backups . Murray played against starters, and still held his own at about 3-5 yrs younger?
I think Brogdon is awesome, and wanted him for sure, but with Murray coming down to the spurs it was a no brainer. Kid has too much talent.
Wait... did PATFO not get Forbes last year also? He's doing everything right and developing right before our eyes. Aren't we overlooking him and focusing too much on a complete loser in Murray?
Ask yourself why did PATFO draft White?
If Murray is supposedly as good as you claim, then why the did PATFO draft White?
White is a combo guard, dude. He's more Manu and Simmons insurance than anything. He can play off ball and on ball.
White is a better point guard than Murray. That is for skills that are important for point guards, dribbling, assisting and shooting. What skills does Murray have other than street ball moves but never being able to finish with contact?
You mean White has better vision. It really is subjective. Depends on if you want a shoot first point or a pass first point(which is almost extinct now).
Murray has a quick first step and can get to the bucket at will basically. It's just if he can learn to finish consistently. White otoh needs a pick and roll and doesn't really do anything at an elite level. He's just a complete player.
Take out the flashiness and just looking for substance, Murray has elite tools to work with. He's just so raw, right now. But after his season and his performances against top teams and playoffs he should of earned the benefit of the doubt. He plays better against better compe ion. He just doesn't respect these guys and his arrogance can be seen in his dribble. He needs the "appropriate level of fear" as Pop likes to say, and that will come with experience. Just like a pup to gnaw at the tail of a bigger dog and then to be shut down after the bite. He just needs more reps.
Edit: hate to keep saying it over and over but it's maturity and I'd like to add professionalism as something he needs to learn. He's acting like a kid. Time to grow up and put the suit on. Needs to learn to be a business man
Last edited by raybies; 07-09-2017 at 12:15 AM.
Murray, Bertans, and White have all ted the bed in Vegas and Utah. They better turn it around quick if they wanna see PT or they'll end up in Austin all year...
Good post. He looks the same as he did during the season/playoffs. People are acting like they expected him to turn into Curry over the last 6 weeks.
At the moment my hopes are significantly higher for White than Murray. If you play small and have 4 ball handlers on the court which is the ideal in this league then White is a perfectly fine piece at pg. He'll push in transition and make great decisions. In the half court he should be a threat off ball from the 3pt line to the rim. At the same time he is still good enough at dribbling when you have multiple dribblers helping to carry the load. Which is ultimately far more promising than the future I'm seeing for Murray.
You're assuming that Brogdon's development has halted while Murray can make quantum leaps to catch up. But Brogdon is the one who has actually shown yearly improvements, and there are no signs that he will stagnate anytime soon. Meanwhile, Murray's game still looked awfully similar to the previous year.
People weren't expecting a transformation into an MVP caliber player. They're just expecting something along the lines of "don't suck," much less the second coming of Kyle Anderson.
I agree with you that he doesn't respect SL compe ion. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the talent to easily beat them. He is at their level yet he doesn't know it!
Simmons by contrast had superior athleticism and he just bulldozed over compe ion. Murray doesn't have that superiority and it shows.
Last edited by ceperez; 07-09-2017 at 05:50 AM.
Exactly. At least there is a constant velocity towards improvement. Kawhi is the perfect example. Improving every year.
Look at White's numbers in college, he's improving every year until he got to the pros.
Let's look at Brogon's number in college and in the pros, he's improving every year.
What about Forbes, same thing, improving every year.
What about LJC. No improvement since he was 18 years old.
That is my point, stick to the guys who have learned how to improve their game. Forget guys who are all talent but haven't figured it out yet.
Kawhi may not be the longest player or the most athletic player in the NBA, but his special talent is that he knows how to become better year after year after year.
Last edited by ceperez; 07-09-2017 at 05:59 AM.
Let's not overrate Brogdon. He's a very nice player, but he won ROY because the rest of the players sucked. Murray may eventually be the better pick and still has a real chance to become that player.
Now I know what Parker was talking about last season when he said he has a good feeling about Dejounte. He meant he has a good feeling about him because sucks ass and that means Parker himself will get to stay longer. That's why Tony said he had a good feeling about him.
Simmons was like 24-25 in his two summer leagues. He had a lot more experience and maturity, and he can in with the right at ude. He was trying to make it in this league. Murray will get there with time. He's still so young. He'll put it together. A character guy like Mills is what the doctor ordered. Still don't like the contract but he's the type of guy Murray and the young guys need. Hopefully Kawhi doesn't blow smoke up Murray's you know what and let's him know exactly what he needs to know.
Terrible analogy. He isn't the second coming of Kyle.
Kyle is slow/methodical but very skilled. Murray is athletically gifted but unskilled. All he is right now is his physical tools and genetic gifts. Kyle dominated in summer league. Murray has not.
This is a good point. The ability to learn is unpredictable in draftees and not everyone has it. That's why they're aren't many Kawhi's
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