FOX with Chris Wallace just put out a relatively short, ~15 minutes, discussion with a Senator Cassidy fro Louisiana. He admitted there are Republicans that have no desire to fulfill Trump's plan to keep people on with pre existing conditions. Cassidy has his own plan out but Wallace made him cover all the current plans in a very straightforward manner.
Excellent job again by Wallace to cover a difficult topic in a short period of time. A must watch. One of the few on these crappy cable channels.
Originally Posted by Splits
lol a 44 seat majority and can't pass a bill they've been campaigning on for 7+ years. What a ing clown show.]]]
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Of course we were never serious. We knew whatever we sent up to the WH would get vetoed. So we sent that up there. Big shots.
Comparable to when we impeached Clinton. We knew the Senate would never convict. If we knew they'd a convicted him we'd a never impeached him.
Lee, Cruz, Paul want FULL ACA repeal, will vote against Trashcare
Those 3 are enough to kill it
Then there are few other Repug Senators from states with expanded Medicaid who don't support cutting Medicaid
"It's Dead, Jim"
They'll get in line if they're the deciding votes. If one of Collins, er, or Murkowski votes for it none of Paul, Lee, or Cruz will want to be known as the vote that killed the Obamacare repeal.
Trashcare doesn't kill ACA thoroughly, that's the problem for those 3.
It kills enough of it to get their votes. The only way Cruz or Lee stays against it is if it's unpassable.
These holdouts will vote for it if the alternative is dealing with the Dems and retaining most of Obamacare. Kill the Medicaid expansion, and put work requirements on it for able-bodied people.
Don't forget the taxcuts for the rich.
Did those taxes exist before ACA? I don't see it as tax cuts for the rich. ACA CREATED those taxes to attempt to pay for this Medicaid expansion - this is just re-setting it back to the way it was before.
Some GOP senators return from break admitting Obamacare repeal bill is ‘probably dead’
“My view is it’s probably going to be dead,” said Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
“Over the July 4 recess, conservative demands hardened and surprising opposition to the SenateGOP’s first stab revealed itself in red states like North Dakota and Kansas.
Republicans sniped over the merits of deregulating the health insurance industry and
GOP senators began floating exit strategies in case they can’t agree on legislation, ranging
from working with Democrats to amend Obamacare
to simply repealing the law and figuring out how to replace it later,”
Many Republicans are concentrating on what will happen when McConnell fails.
McConnell has admitted that if the new bill doesn’t go through, then Republicans will have to work with Democrats to shore up the problems with the Affordable Care Act (ACA).
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/some...e+Raw+Story%29
Let's just reset to where it was before Reagan since you wouldn't see that as a tax hike for the rich.
Is this thread not about the current health care plan that is attempting to FIX Obamacare? What does this have to do with Reagan? The problem with this insidious taking from some to give to others (and I'm referring here to able-bodied adults/Medicaid expansion) is that sooner or later they come to take YOUR/MY money as the definition of rich gets lesser and lesser as the definition of poor gets more and more. And then, what is the point of working if it's just gonna be taken from you/me. There is no end to/value for it when people get things without working for it.
This health bill is taking from the poor and giving to the rich, son. LOL fixing healthcare by giving the rich moar tax cuts.
Kaiser Confirms Trump's Own HHS. Finds NO Evidence Obamacare Collapsing. On Track For Its Best Year
ust recently Donald Trump’s own Department of Health and Human Services confirmed that Obamacare is 'working as intended' and 'stabilizing’, exposing the big Trump Republican lie that the markets are collapsing
This has to be one of the biggest stories out there about health care.
www.latimes.com/...
New data have been released contradicting Republican propaganda about the “failing”Affordable Care Act. What may be more embarrassing to the hardliners pushing repeal is that it comes from the government, specifically the Department of Health and Human Services.
Under Secretary Tom Price, the department has been a fount of anti-ACA rhetoric. But in an annual report about the ACA’s risk-management provisions issued Friday, Health and Human Services established that the key programs are “working as intended,”protecting insurers from unexpectedly large risks and moderating premiums for consumers.
Not only that, the data “would seem to refute the commonly held belief that the marketplace population is becoming sicker,” observes health economist Timothy Jost, writing in Health Affairs. In fact, according to the figures from 2016 in the latest report, the customer base is getting healthier and the risk pools have been stabilizing.
"Both the transitional reinsurance program and the permanent risk adjustment program are working as intended.” - Department of Health and Human Services
Now you can add The Kaiser Foundation to thIs story.
Kaiser has also confirmed that the ACA is not collapsing and is on track for it’s best year. They also mention that mixed signals from the Administration and Congress as having the potential to destabilize the markets.
In other words, my words, Donald Trump and Republicans lying that Obamacare is collapsing is harming our health care markets. Their lies are harming millions.
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/...tail=emaildkre
Standard oligarchy/Repug strategy: up govt at all levels, then claim govt is ed up and can do no good.
Repug Solution? privatize govt, and cut taxes for the oligarchy
It seems Repugs are passing out nibbles to try to win votes, but the big bite on Medicaid is untouched. And it's Medicaid destruction that sounded like most Senators were objecting to, except the ones that wanted ACA totally destroyed with no replacement.
This has to be the stupidest thing I've read on the internet today.
Congrats, you dumb cunt.
Kaiser poll: Public opposition to Trumpcare is growing
The July Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds that most Americans (61 percent) continue to hold unfavorable views of the plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA), including over four in ten (44 percent) who say they have “very unfavorable” view.And for popular vote loser Donald Trump—
The share of the public with negative views of the law has increased slightly in the past month, from 55 percent to 61 percent.
[…]Nearly two-thirds of the public opposes (65 percent) major reductions in federal funding for Medicaid as part of a plan to repeal and replace the ACA, and
most continue to oppose these reductions even after hearing arguments in support of them.
About half of Republicans and those who approve of President Trump support major reductions in federal funding for Medicaid. […]
Seven in ten (71 percent) Americans would rather see Republicans in Congress work with Democrats to make improvements to the ACA but not repeal the law,
while one-fourth (23 percent) say they would rather Republicans continue working on their own plan to repeal and replace the ACA.
"The majority of the public thinks the current replacement plan being discussed does not fulfill most of the promises President Trump has made about health care."
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...are-is-growing
goddamn, you're stupid
expanding Medicaid exanded to all kinds of people, including able-bodies, (maybe) healthy people WITH TY JOBS who anyway need health care, as was proven when Ms of them got health care they had been denied.
America cannot afford this expansion of Medicaid. It is UNSUSTAINABLE. Boutons, do you want to bankrupt the country just so these able bodied people can have TY insurance (not health care).
Fox’s Brit Hume: Covering patients with pre-existing conditions ‘defeats the whole idea of insurance’
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/foxs...-of-insurance/
Holy , what a sociopath.
Goddamn, you're stupid.
If the oligarachy paid its fair share of taxes, USA would have more than enough to cover everybody, even with BigHealthCare's scam/ripoff prices.
How much would it cost?
his point makes sense from the perspective of the current for-profit insurance model
the parallel would be to not have auto insurance until after an accident.
then again that's what the mandate was supposed to solve but was a pretty poor approach. it was a half-measure
Make Wall Street Pay Its Fair Share in Taxes, Raise $1 Trillion in Federal Revenue
http://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2017...genda-july-19/
Capitalists have so rigged the economy and govt that they get all the benefits, all of the wealth and power from wealth, and pay almost nothing of costs.
BigCorp has many $100Bs of cash offshore that it refuses to repatriate unless given huge tax expenditures.
LIAR
Tom Price Boldly Predicts That Senate Bill Will ‘Cover More Individuals’
“That also is one of the reasons we believe we’re gonna be able to cover more individuals on this bill than are currently covered. I know that’s counterintuitive to folks that have been reading other headlines, but the goal is to get every single American covered and have access to the kind of coverage that they want,” he said on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures.”
Price on Sunday tried to delegitimize that CBO score, calling it an “opinion” and arguing that the CBO does not take into account people who purchase catastrophic plans.
He claimed that “a health savings account with a high deductible catastrophic plan” does not “count in CBO’s formula.”
“So CBO doesn’t even capture those individuals who say to the federal government, ‘I don’t want the plan that you think I need, I want the plan that I know I need for myself and my family,'” Price said.
“So those numbers are so flawed in terms of what actually happens in the real world when people act for themselves in an appropriate way and get that kind of coverage that they want.”
Price’s comments about the CBO’s methodology appear to be misleading, however. In a December blog post, the CBO said that it counts “catastrophic plans as private insurance coverage because they typically provide major medical coverage and are permitted under the ACA in limited cir stances.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/tom-...0%28TPMNews%29
ty, catastrophic plans are where people ( "are free to" ) deny themselves non-catastrophic health care (denial that often leads to preventable health catastrophes) because they can't ing afford it.
This is Repugs bull of "freedom" and "choice"
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