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    Whether it's Murray or Mills the Spurs are going to be damn weak at PG. At this point it has to be Mills. Murray still dribbles way too high, has no jump shot, and is very turnover prone. I really had hoped he would work on that high dribble more than he evidently has.

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    Brogdon would've been a great starter.

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    Whether it's Murray or Mills the Spurs are going to be damn weak at PG. At this point it has to be Mills. Murray still dribbles way too high, has no jump shot, and is very turnover prone. I really had hoped he would work on that high dribble more than he evidently has.
    A legit starting PG is nowhere to be found on this roster. Spurs front office miscalculated. Paging Derrick Rose...yuck...paging Derrick Rose.

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    Pop's probably ecstatic that Murray looks like , tbh..buying more years for TP as starting PG

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    Pop's probably ecstatic that Murray looks like , tbh..buying more years for TP as starting PG
    I think I'd take Parker sans rehab over this hot mess of point guards.

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    I think I'd take Parker sans rehab over this hot mess of point guards.
    At least Mills plays really well during the RS, even as a starter..the playoffs will be a huge issue for Spurs' PGs though, unfortunately..if Simmons re-signs, gonna see a lot of huge perimeter lineups, hopefully..

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    Wait...did that guy say Tony parker lit up Jason Kidd in the playoffs? The same Jason Kidd they had to bench parker and play speedy claxton against? Then that same summer throw everything at Jason Kidd to get him on the team? GTFOH...Parker is overrated big time... Even this playoffs ppl forget he had multiple games where he didnt score at all, and had at least one with no points or assists...yet they act as if he was lighting it up...we probably sweep these teams with a decent point guard...analytics had him as literally the worst starting pg in the league last year...and I dont think thats counting his horrible defense
    I think TP was lighting up Kidd and so they switched Kittles on him.

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    Wait...did that guy say Tony parker lit up Jason Kidd in the playoffs? The same Jason Kidd they had to bench parker and play speedy claxton against? Then that same summer throw everything at Jason Kidd to get him on the team? GTFOH...Parker is overrated big time... Even this playoffs ppl forget he had multiple games where he didnt score at all, and had at least one with no points or assists...yet they act as if he was lighting it up...we probably sweep these teams with a decent point guard...analytics had him as literally the worst starting pg in the league last year...and I dont think thats counting his horrible defense
    Truth.

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    I may agree with you but he has some points regarding Tony.
    Fact the spurs were forced to patty Claxton because Parker couldn't play with Kidd.
    Fact spurs pursued Kidd hard.
    Fact he was the worst starting pg by analytics last year.
    Fact he only played 5 good games during the playoffs one average and two bad ones.

    I don't think he is all that bad, but we have to agree that it's not sure how and when he will recover, and a solid to the team would have been to take this season off, and return next year.
    This team is trying to be a contender, not a recovering Clínic.
    Thank you for seeing the points and not the poster...

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    I think people have genuinely forgotten how terrible Jason Kidd was in those 2003 finals.

    Also, a fun fact - in his 20 or so year career, Kidd has had only one season where he's had a better FG% than Parker's lowest ( his rookie season ). And it got even worse for Kidd in the playoffs, he's a career sub 40% shooter in the playoffs on a massive sample size.

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    I think people have genuinely forgotten how terrible Jason Kidd was in those 2003 finals.

    Also, a fun fact - in his 20 or so year career, Kidd has had only one season where he's had a better FG% than Parker's lowest ( his rookie season ). And it got even worse for Kidd in the playoffs, he's a career sub 40% shooter in the playoffs on a massive sample size.
    If u are judging how Kidd played based on his shooting, you missed the ship, kid...no pun intended...

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    You pointed out another problem, his weight.

    Spurs gambled on this 29th pick. Let's hope by training with Kawhi he can improve his game.

    He has a ton of stuff to work on!
    Training for 2-3 weeks with KL isn't going to change his game much if any.. Its would take much longer to see a noticeable change for what were all talking about.. I like the idea of having a PG 6'5 and slender, but he doesn't seem to be a good passer nor dribbler. Maybe him bulkin up is all that it would take for him. Not sure and no matter how much we all like him or see possible potential as of right now he cannot be your starting PG to be counted on.

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    Training for 2-3 weeks with KL isn't going to change his game much if any.. Its would take much longer to see a noticeable change for what were all talking about.. I like the idea of having a PG 6'5 and slender, but he doesn't seem to be a good passer nor dribbler. Maybe him bulkin up is all that it would take for him. Not sure and no matter how much we all like him or see possible potential as of right now he cannot be your starting PG to be counted on.
    He can bulk up and perhaps become either a patrick beverly type player or a tony allen type player. He just cannot shoot.

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    If u are judging how Kidd played based on his shooting, you missed the ship, kid...no pun intended...
    Kidd was a great defender and passer. Shooting wasn't great but rest of game more than made up for it. A guy like Nash was a much much better shooter in all facets, but a far worse defender. Heck, his three point shooting pushed his eFG% above Magic though Magic got to the line a lot more. Meanwhile, Kidd rebounded like Magic while Nash and Parker rebounded at half that rate.

    Parker gets shat on by people around here because of his current contract and because they insist on arguing him vs. Ginobili. Compared to other PG, he has been an extremely high usage player and still posts solid shooting percentages. Also a very low turnover rate. He's not in the same class as any of these guys listed, but presented to show how much current performance blinds people.

    And to all the people who retrospectively didn't want Paul, he's got the lowest TO% and highest AST% out of Parker, Nash, Kidd, Magic and Curry. Usage just below Parker with a 58% TS% vs. Parker's 54.9%.

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    What's funny is Kidd couldn't guard Parker. Midway through the series they put Kerry Kittles on Parker and he, being a better defender against speed, slowed Parker down. Kidd wasn't a great three point shooter until later in his career, but he was a good scorer and could post up on smaller guards like Parker.

    History always gets re-written, but Parker had a solid 2003 run and played well in the finals except for the last few games where he couldn't figure out Kittles. But it was a good learning experience bc Parker played well in the 2005 run, including against a all time great defensive team in Detroit.

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    What's funny is Kidd couldn't guard Parker. Midway through the series they put Kerry Kittles on Parker and he, being a better defender against speed, slowed Parker down. Kidd wasn't a great three point shooter until later in his career, but he was a good scorer and could post up on smaller guards like Parker.

    History always gets re-written, but Parker had a solid 2003 run and played well in the finals except for the last few games where he couldn't figure out Kittles. But it was a good learning experience bc Parker played well in the 2005 run, including against a all time great defensive team in Detroit.
    Parker didnt play well vs Detroit...Parker has a pretty low bar for ppl on here...last year he was statistically the worst starting pg, and yet ppl are looking towards him coming back...no way he should be starting in a championship level team...I'll take my chances with Murray, because I KNOW we won't win with Parker starting...with Murray at least he develops, and I find it hard to see him having a worse year than parker did last year (once again, he was the WORST pg in the league)

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    Parker didnt play well vs Detroit...Parker has a pretty low bar for ppl on here...last year he was statistically the worst starting pg, and yet ppl are looking towards him coming back...no way he should be starting in a championship level team...I'll take my chances with Murray, because I KNOW we won't win with Parker starting...with Murray at least he develops, and I find it hard to see him having a worse year than parker did last year (once again, he was the WORST pg in the league)
    News flash. Murray, if he starts, will be he worst starting pg in the NBA.

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    News flash. Murray, if he starts, will be he worst starting pg in the NBA.

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    News flash. Murray, if he starts, will be he worst starting pg in the NBA.
    News flash, he is 19 and won't get worse...tony was the worst, and will get worse

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    News flash, he is 19 and won't get worse...tony was the worst, and will get worse
    Nah - we saw TP look great in the playoffs. No where near the worst. Keep lying though.

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    Tony has been a cancer these past 3 years. He was already at the tail end of the decline. Now he can't walk and needs to rehab. If he's 60% of what he was, he wouldn't even make the G league.

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    Nah - we saw TP look great in the playoffs. No where near the worst. Keep lying though.
    Great?? He had numerous games of zero points...the games he played well were the games he his his jumpers.. This unreliable jumper...and even in those games he played horrible defense...on top of that next year he will be older and coming off a career ending injury...keep dreaming about him being our savior

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    Nah - we saw TP look great in the playoffs. No where near the worst. Keep lying though.
    Porker fluffers.

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    Porker fluffers.
    I think parker has multiple accounts on here to drum up support for himself...thats literally all he does at home

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    I like Murray's potential and yep he's been choppy in Summer league but y'all realize regardless if Murray starts or not, Mills will get lion share of minutes and based on flow of game and matchups, Murray may be required to play 15-25 mins a game and hold fort down when he's on court. I don't get the overly sensationalized criticism of Murray based on a few summer league games. If y'all were expecting another Parker that is misleading. Parker manned true point for years before coming over and Murray still learning to play the point. He didn't handle the ball exclusively at Wash under Romar and he's still learning the game. Temper expectations please. Yes first post in several years. I'm back.

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