LVSL Game 3: SA vs Portland

[rastaspur]

What we don't take into account: he has had no time to grow yet.

My goodness, it's been a few weeks since they got eliminated.
What is he going to learn?

Give him some time in San Diego with Kawhi and a coaching staff that's given him things to work on.

He is not beyond redemption.

Your my boy and all but I got to disagree with you to a degree.

Six weeks of being in a gym can yield results. Back when I played ball daily for several hours I would always go shoot and play by myself and work on moves, pivots, footwork that I would see watching nba games.

My goal was to add a new move every week to expand my arsenal. And then to keep fine tuning my existing moves.

In a 6 week period over the summer I managed to add several ginobili moves, spin moves, and a ton of post moves.

So I gotta disagree that six weeks isn't enough time to improve on anything.

This gym rat persona he is trying to sell just doesn't seem believable. He seems to be spending more time talking about the gym than actually accomplishing anything in it.

[dabom]

Your my boy and all but I got to disagree with you to a degree.

Six weeks of being in a gym can yield results. Back when I played ball daily for several hours I would always go shoot and play by myself and work on moves, pivots, footwork that I would see watching nba games.

My goal was to add a new move every week to expand my arsenal. And then to keep fine tuning my existing moves.

In a 6 week period over the summer I managed to add several ginobili moves, spin moves, and a ton of post moves.

So I gotta disagree that six weeks isn't enough time to improve on anything.

This gym rat persona he is trying to sell just doesn't seem believable. He seems to be spending more time talking about the gym than actually accomplishing anything in it.

[tonight...you]

Your my boy and all but I got to disagree with you to a degree.

Six weeks of being in a gym can yield results. Back when I played ball daily for several hours I would always go shoot and play by myself and work on moves, pivots, footwork that I would see watching nba games.

My goal was to add a new move every week to expand my arsenal. And then to keep fine tuning my existing moves.

In a 6 week period over the summer I managed to add several ginobili moves, spin moves, and a ton of post moves.

So I gotta disagree that six weeks isn't enough time to improve on anything.

This gym rat persona he is trying to sell just doesn't seem believable. He seems to be spending more time talking about the gym than actually accomplishing anything in it.

Yeah, so 6 weeks of work would have put you on an NBA level of skill level?
So easy bro...
My Gawd! A few weeks of training at the YMCA and I got mad post skills!
That was garbage and now I don't want you to rep me and (I was going to say "Your", but now it's) my insane campaign.

Much to your chagrin, I'm sure.

[sasaint]

You've never been in the military, have you?

Doesn't matter. Pop has, and that is where he comes from as a coach - part of what sets him so completely apart as a coach.

[tonight...you]

Doesn't matter. Pop has, and that is where he comes from as a coach - part of what sets him so completely apart as a coach.

Bro, don't you know that deconstruction and rebuilding is what the military does?
Hence my assumption.

This is what the military does.

[sasaint]

Bro, don't you know that deconstruction and rebuilding is what the military does?
Hence my assumption.

This is what the military does.

Absolutely! That's why I brought up deconstruction and reconstruction and I said what I did about Pop.

[tonight...you]

Absolutely! That's why I said what I did about Pop.

True... I reread. We on the same wave-length.

My bad, brother.

[sasaint]

True... I reread. We on the same wave-length.

My bad, brother.

Not a bad at all.

[Chinook]

I think that the "go out there and show us what you can do" session was last year. They gave him a set of instructions this time, and he was probably benched because he hasn't done them. It's possible that he has grossly misinterpreted their advice, like thinking that "being aggressive" and "trying to cross people over every time down the court" are the same thing. There is definitely and experience barrier for him, but he's not letting himself hit it yet, because he's too busy doing dumb . Sitting out and watching Bryn be aggressive and inefficient without being an outright train wreck should help him gain some perspective.

[tmtcsc]

I didn't notice how many coaches were there, but the one that counts was certainly paying attention, and he was cringing.

Are you talking about Pop? He was talking to some kid with a fake Pop beard the whole game.

[Ocotillo]

If Forbes can get his shot off and not be a total liability on defense at the NBA level, maybe that means Patty could be a mid-season trade deadline possibility.

[rastaspur]

Yeah, so 6 weeks of work would have put you on an NBA level of skill level?
So easy bro...
My Gawd! A few weeks of training at the YMCA and I got mad post skills!
That was garbage and now I don't want you to rep me and (I was going to say "Your", but now it's) my insane campaign.

Much to your chagrin, I'm sure.

I improved drastically. Hard work pays off.

It's not about whether it made me an nba level talent, because it didnt.

It was about the journey of improvement from point a to point b.

In high school I got cut from the junior varsity squad my sop re year. Coach told me I wasn't big enough to be anything but a guard and he had to cut me because I couldn't even dribble with my left hand.

A year later and I was the starting point guard on the varsity. Why? Because the coach basically called me out and said I sucked and wouldn't make the team. I worked on my handles, pick and roll, etc night and day and in a years time turned my weaknesses into strengths.

Saying someone can't improve at all in a six week period is a cop out imo.
My point being is that pride can be a of a motivator.

Here is hoping murray's abysmal summer league showing will dent his pride and be a he'll of a motivation for improvement.

[sasaint]

Are you talking about Pop? He was talking to some kid with a fake Pop beard the whole game.

Sure. That was today? I only saw the last quarter.

[tonight...you]

I think that the "go out there and show us what you can do" session was last year. They gave him a set of instructions this time, and he was probably benched because he hasn't done them. It's possible that he has grossly misinterpreted their advice, like thinking that "being aggressive" and "trying to cross people over every time down the court" are the same thing. There is definitely and experience barrier for him, but he's not letting himself hit it yet, because he's too busy doing dumb . Sitting out and watching Bryn be aggressive and inefficient without being an outright train wreck should help him gain some perspective.

Uh huh, like I said: he was given direction by the Coaching staff and failed.
Now the staff is watching Bryn and what he can do. Hopefully Murray will take notice and humble himself to be a player within himself.

[tonight...you]

I improved drastically. Hard work pays off.

It's not about whether it made me an nba level talent, because it didnt.

It was about the journey of improvement from point a to point b.

In high school I got cut from the junior varsity squad my sop re year. Coach told me I wasn't big enough to be anything but a guard and he had to cut me because I couldn't even dribble with my left hand.

A year later and I was the starting point guard on the varsity. Why? Because the coach basically called me out and said I sucked and wouldn't make the team. I worked on my handles, pick and roll, etc night and day and in a years time turned my weaknesses into strengths.

Saying someone can't improve at all in a six week period is a cop out imo.
My point being is that pride can be a of a motivator.

Here is hoping murray's abysmal summer league showing will dent his pride and be a he'll of a motivation for improvement.

My simple point is: 6 weeks does not make an NBA improvement.
He may never do anything in the League, but 6 weeks is nothing to NBA level of play.

This kid needs time to stew over good advice and good habits with players and coaches who know how it's done and it's going to take a hot minute for him to corral what he's got and develop what he can do.

[tmtcsc]

I think that the "go out there and show us what you can do" session was last year. They gave him a set of instructions this time, and he was probably benched because he hasn't done them. It's possible that he has grossly misinterpreted their advice, like thinking that "being aggressive" and "trying to cross people over every time down the court" are the same thing. There is definitely and experience barrier for him, but he's not letting himself hit it yet, because he's too busy doing dumb . Sitting out and watching Bryn be aggressive and inefficient without being an outright train wreck should help him gain some perspective.

Murray did less than perform well - HE WAS BAD. I mean awful. He had no respect whatsoever for his opponent who ended up stealing the ball right out of his hands. It reminded me of Patrick Beverly all over again. Nah, the kid sucks and has shown NOTHING but unwarranted confidence. I've known people like him, completely full of and dishonest with themselves. They believe their own hype. He's been told he's good since a very young age, hangs out with people who are actually good because....well he thinks he deserves to hang with them and will thus be associated with them. Its just pure immaturity. I doubt he makes it in the league. A little harsh? Maybe, but I don't think so.

The Spurs would be smart to trade this child with TP's crap contract and get some players who actually know how to play and are worth a damn.

[rastaspur]

My simple point is: 6 weeks does not make an NBA improvement.
He may never do anything in the League, but 6 weeks is nothing to NBA level of play.

This kid needs time to stew over good advice and good habits with players and coaches who know how it's done and it's going to take a hot minute for him to corral what he's got and develop what he can do.

6 weeks of time is plenty enough time in any profession to learn a few more skills, be it the legal, medical, construction industry or the nba for that matter.

His re ed ass high dribble would be a good example. He hasn't corrected it in a years time.

I am pretty sure if you take 100 nba player's with a high dribble and tell them to work on it exclusively for 6 weeks I would imagine at least 99% of them would show some noticeable level of improvement.

So if he chose three to four flaws to work on extensively for a six week period an nba level improvement should logically follow.

Jordan is a great example. He took a year off to play baseball. A good bit of that time he spent playing baseball, a good bit drinking and gambling, and some time honing his basketball skills.

And what happens? He only returns with the most deadly guard post up game the league has ever seen. He was an absolute beast and showed a ton of improvement.

Why? Repe ion after repe ion. Why? Driven by pride to be the best when he returned.

[tonight...you]

6 weeks of time is plenty enough time in any profession to learn a few more skills, be it the legal, medical, construction industry or the nba for that matter.

His re ed ass high dribble would be a good example. He hasn't corrected it in a years time.

I am pretty sure if you take 100 nba player's with a high dribble and tell them to work on it exclusively for 6 weeks I would imagine at least 99% of them would show some noticeable level of improvement.

So if he chose three to four flaws to work on extensively for a six week period an nba level improvement should logically follow.

Jordan is a great example. He took a year off to play baseball. A good bit of that time he spent playing baseball, a good bit drinking and gambling, and some time honing his basketball skills.

And what happens? He only returns with the most deadly guard post up game the league has ever seen. He was an absolute beast and showed a ton of improvement.

Why? Repe ion after repe ion. Why? Driven by pride to be the best when he returned.

No. Physical habits take 12 weeks.

[rastaspur]

No. Physical habits take 12 weeks.

Link?

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this issue. It's cool though. For the sake of the spurs I hope your opinion is more accurate than mine.

[SAGirl]

I went to some games early last season to watch the shoot around. These NBA players are amazing in shoot around. They ball has nice rotaton and they nail jumpers from everywhere. Even the "scrubs" were amazing.

And then I watched Murray clang jumper after jumper. I want him to be good. But he can't dribble. He can't shoot. He can't pass. He can't finish well. I mean, how can he be our starting PG or even our 2nd string guard? His only positive is his measurable ( height and wingspan). He needs a lot of work and one summer with Kawhi isn't enough.

It already shows the entire NBA season wasn't enough... it's too soon and the guy is young but he's still far from where he needs to be and I agree I don't think 1 offseason is going to be enough...maybe continued improvement through the season...

[ace3g]

[SAGirl]

I improved drastically. Hard work pays off.

It's not about whether it made me an nba level talent, because it didnt.

It was about the journey of improvement from point a to point b.

In high school I got cut from the junior varsity squad my sop re year. Coach told me I wasn't big enough to be anything but a guard and he had to cut me because I couldn't even dribble with my left hand.

A year later and I was the starting point guard on the varsity. Why? Because the coach basically called me out and said I sucked and wouldn't make the team. I worked on my handles, pick and roll, etc night and day and in a years time turned my weaknesses into strengths.

Saying someone can't improve at all in a six week period is a cop out imo.
My point being is that pride can be a of a motivator.

Here is hoping murray's abysmal summer league showing will dent his pride and be a he'll of a motivation for improvement.

Great point. I definitely think some of that is involved, while keeping it subdued and in house. Spurs way they keep stuff like that, which makes perfect sense in house.

[kobyz]

Spurs should cut Bartens, he's waste of a roster spot...

[duncan2k5]

They are handling Murray wrong...benching him will only make him press more and be scared to make mistakes....just let him play...it is the summer league...who gives a if we win or lose? At this point I hope they get rid of him and he becomes good on a other team...pop's ego is out of control now

[TD 21]

You don't trade away potential. What pop is going to do if Forbes is really this good is decrease Murray's minutes and make White a complete D-League player and Put the ball on Leonard more.

It won't surprise me to see Leonard handle the ball as much as he did in the playoffs.

You're making the classic mistake of thinking playing time in professional sports is largely based on merit. The scenario you're describing is possible . . . until Parker returns.

Even though trading Mills in a year is the logical end game if Forbes is legit, they don't have the balls to go through with it.