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    The disconnect with Simmons is that for most teams that only compete in the regular season, he hasn't put very good numbers.

    Could Simmons perhaps want to play for his home town Houston????

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    There really was a Tweet, but it was from @RaptorsMilGrau, whoever the that is. The reference to Shams was a head fake.

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    Not bad on a $100 investment by Simms. Wish my investments had that return on capital. Beats giving haircuts.

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    No, he wasn't. Why do people keep insisting on pushing that lie?
    who was?

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    im gonna miss J Simmy...one of my fav players on the spurs...i hope this news is fake

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    I was saying he could be had for 3/22. Too bad the spurs are cheap.

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    Like Dedmon, if he had beef with Pop, it's a done deal... Duuuuuh!

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    We never wanted him anyway-ST

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    I wanted Simmons back originally, but the more I looked at his regular season stats the more it felt they should instead try unearthing a guy for cheap (Patriots style, and I hate that comparison) and let someone else pay him. I'd even rather keep that cap space dry for next summer for either a signing or to grab an asset in a trade to a team looking to free cap space if FA doesn't pan out.

    I don't think Patty for 4/$50 was prudent but his contract can always be moved. If Simmons had been signed for 4/$40 or something and had regressed back to a replacement level guy, that deal can't be moved.

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    I think Pop is going to try to go to more of a ball movement, drive and dish, open three game next year and Simmons isn't that guy.

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    Green would be more usefully

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    I think Pop is going to try to go to more of a ball movement, drive and dish, open three game next year and Simmons isn't that guy.
    Agreed. With the ac ulation of wings and guards, it seems obvious they are going to go back to the beautiful game, or some variation of it. I assume this summer's Kawhi v6.0 upgrade is going to be court vision and passing. Not sure how Aldridge fits or how they work him in with this, but it seems pretty clear what direction we're headed.

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    I liked Simmon. Loved his story and how the Spurs gave him his big break. His physical skills were outstanding and gave him some great highlight reel moments. But as Charles Barkley once said, "It ain't about having great physical skills. A deer can run fast and jump high--but you don't see many deer in the NBA."

    I think the FO must have come to the conclusion that Simmons had not progressed with his BB IQ skills enough to be retained--or that other younger guys with more all around skill sets could do his job at a lesser cost.

    I'm glad he got a job as soon as the Spurs relinquished his rights. The FO is good about helping players that way when they can't fit someone into the roster at a price they feel is equitable. Too bad we couldn't work out a sign and trade to get something of value, but then again, that tells you something about his perceived value around the league. I really wish him well and hope he has great success with a new team. Now let's move on and get excited about who will replace him.

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    I liked Simmon. Loved his story and how the Spurs gave him his big break. His physical skills were outstanding and gave him some great highlight reel moments. But as Charles Barkley once said, "It ain't about having great physical skills. A deer can run fast and jump high--but you don't see many deer in the NBA."

    I think the FO must have come to the conclusion that Simmons had not progressed with his BB IQ skills enough to be retained--or that other younger guys with more all around skill sets could do his job at a lesser cost.

    I'm glad he got a job as soon as the Spurs relinquished his rights. The FO is good about helping players that way when they can't fit someone into the roster at a price they feel is equitable. Too bad we couldn't work out a sign and trade to get something of value, but then again, that tells you something about his perceived value around the league. I really wish him well and hope he has great success with a new team. Now let's move on and get excited about who will replace him.
    +1 spurs not going to over pay when they can find a better player to replace tbh

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    Agreed. With the ac ulation of wings and guards, it seems obvious they are going to go back to the beautiful game, or some variation of it. I assume this summer's Kawhi v6.0 upgrade is going to be court vision and passing. Not sure how Aldridge fits or how they work him in with this, but it seems pretty clear what direction we're headed.
    they may still hope to move him before now and the trade deadline

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    if we are going back to ball movement diaw might be alright to bring back and he knows the system and can help off the bench

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    Not a 3 point threat and doesn't handle the ball consistently.

    They're right not to overpay him.

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    Bye felicia

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    Mozgov got $64 million man, don't try to tell me $27 million is ridiculous. Of course RFA handicapped Simmons. Most teams had to figure if they offered MLE the Spurs would match. You have to throw huge contracts at an RFA most of the time, eg Hardaway's $71 million.
    Welp, we now know for sure that 9M a year was more than he was worth.

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    Seems like RFA didn't handicap Simmons. His unrealistic expectations did. Newbie player, newbie agent.

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    Not a 3 point threat and doesn't handle the ball consistently.

    They're right not to overpay him.
    Aka patty mills

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    Aka patty mills
    Did you order a number 1 combo with a side of dumb?

    Everyone that could shoot, even medicore players, got paid more than Simmons. This isn't rocket science. Look at Mills 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

    Look at JJ Red 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

    , even a guy who's been flat out bad mostly in Tony Snell - look at his 3PT % vs Simmons and the difference in their deals.

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    Did you order a number 1 combo with a side of dumb?

    Everyone that could shoot, even medicore players, got paid more than Simmons. This isn't rocket science. Look at Mills 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

    Look at JJ Red 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

    , even a guy who's been flat out bad mostly in Tony Snell - look at his 3PT % vs Simmons and the difference in their deals.

    I can't argue against Patty based on his 3P%, or any of the numbers that show up on his stat sheet, DPG. And I can't argue about the money he got. But I can argue against him on the basis of the Spurs needing a PG to keep the offense flowing.

    Every year, Kawhi seems to come back after the summer with some new in his game. Who knows? Maybe he really will show up as a point-forward when the season opens. Then the Spurs can just rely on Patty for his defense.

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    I can't argue against Patty based on his 3P%, or any of the numbers that show up on his stat sheet, DPG. And I can't argue about the money he got. But I can argue against him on the basis of the Spurs needing a PG to keep the offense flowing.

    Every year, Kawhi seems to come back after the summer with some new in his game. Who knows? Maybe he really will show up as a point-forward when the season opens. Then the Spurs can just rely on Patty for his defense.
    I agree - I wanted a PG upgrade and I've probably been one of the most vocal about Mills and his ability to be a starter before it was cool.

    But this was a situation where upgrading PG would have been tough and Spurs were in a pinch with TP injured. Mills was cheap compared to most, does really well in the regular season (which is imprortant despite many only weighing the playoffs) and anyone who would have moved the needle costs a lot more and/or SA was not that interested in.

    For example, SA could have had Hill for what SAC gave him for sure it appears, but they didn't value him. Right or wrong, I think they know they need a PG, I also think they don't see Patty as the answer as a starter either. I think they were in a pinch with TP & Simmons & Maybe Manu and placed value on someone that does pretty good as a short-term stop gap.

    I don't at all think that Mills will be the starting PG after next year and that changes the variables a lot. If Mills is able to just play his 6th man role, his contract is fine & again he's viewed highly around the league if you are to believe the consistent reports from multiple sauces.

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    Did you order a number 1 combo with a side of dumb?

    Everyone that could shoot, even medicore players, got paid more than Simmons. This isn't rocket science. Look at Mills 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

    Look at JJ Red 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

    , even a guy who's been flat out bad mostly in Tony Snell - look at his 3PT % vs Simmons and the difference in their deals.
    Crofl. Brick mills is trash. When was the last time he hit a meaningful shot? And even if he's hitting he still gives it up on the other end.

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