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You need to GFY and your straw men.
You need to GFY and your straw men.
"destructive externalities" is a phrase you will have to explain to Wild Cobra.
Fossil fuels are subsidised 6:1 over renewables. Fossil fuels pay nothing for the destructive externalities they impose on others and the environment. And fossil fuels have the massive advantage of market en bency with amortised assets. Guess what - fossil fuels were subsidised heavily in the nascent stages. Your argument holds not one drop of water.
And even with all that, wind today is roughly the same installation cost as gas, and PPAs are being signed for solar farms at 4c/kWh, cheaper than anything.
Renewables are the future of the global economy. Anyone who can't see that is a ing idiot.
That is part of reality that conservatives who have bought into the paid-for propaganda from conservative think-tanks would rather ignore. I have yet to see any pragmatic response that adequately addresses the dirty parts of fossil fuel extraction. Most of it amounts to "la-la-la-la-la I can't hear you".
When you start showing pictures of the ecological disasters caused by the usage of fossil fuels and saying "why is this not completely cleaned up?"
NC coal ash spill clean up continues 2 years later
http://wncn.com/2016/02/02/nc-coal-a...2-years-later/
This is just one of the impacts that nasty coal has. It is not as cheap as the idiots on the right think it is, not by far. But hey, I know I am preaching to the choir here, sorry.
Will BigOil pay any of their AGW "external costs" of the current flood disaster in their home/vassal state Louisiana? no.
the BigCoal companies are in deep trouble, not from the Feds' CPP, a LIE told by Repugs, but from the boom in, conversion to natural gas, and renewables. I expect their coal ash dumps will be treated like SuperFund sites paid by taxpayers.
Instead Of Cleaning Up Coal Ash Sites, North Carolina Legislators Want To ‘Bail Out’ Duke Energy
https://thinkprogress.org/instead-of...a0b#.z1lezjmhh
"bail out" with whose $100Ms?
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Republican State AGs Met With Coal, Electricity Companies Before Filing Against The EPA’s Carbon Rule
Private meetings with the attorneys general cost up to $125,000.
Of the 21 attorneys general who attended the summit, only one — Idaho’s Lawrence Wasden — did not join an anti-Clean Power Plan lawsuit that was launched that same month and is expected to be heard at a U.S. District Court later this month.
“State attorneys general are supposed to enforce the law and serve the public interest,
but instead these Republican officials have hung a ‘For Sale’ sign on their door,
and the fossil fuel industry proved to be the highest bidder,”
Nick Surgey, research director for the watchdog group, said in a statement.
The Clean Power Plan is a regulation under the Clean Air Act that requires states to find a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from the electricity sector.
Electricity generation is a leading source of pollution, and curbing emissions from the sector is critical for future climate and environmental stability — helping to meet the United States’ obligations under the Paris climate agreement and to avoid the most catastrophic effects of climate change. In addition, the Clean Power Plan is expected to improve local air quality and improve health across the nation.
Fighting it has been a priority for fossil fuel companies, particularly coal [/COLOR]
https://thinkprogress.org/republican...edf#.cvp0apw5a
And you Repug assholes accuse Hillary and her Foundation as "pay to play"?
I USE SOLAR!
Trump brings Koch network's anti-green-energy stance from the fringe to the center of power
When an obscure nonprofit group attacked one of California’s signature green-energy projects this summer — warning a congressional panel that the
embrace of solar energy would lead to crippling hikes in electricity bills —
officials in the state shrugged off the testimony as noise from the fringe.
With Donald Trump’s election, however, that group, the Ins ute for Energy Research, has moved suddenly from the fringe to the center of power.
The president-elect has sent the group’s president, a former Koch Industries lobbyist named Thomas Pyle, to the Energy Department to take charge of its transition.
For years, Pyle has led a coordinated national assault on renewable power. His groups and others that belong to the sprawling network bankrolled by Charles and David Koch, whose vast fortune stems originally from oil refining, pressure lawmakers to roll back policies that promote green power. The Koch network gave Pyle’s groups $3 million in 2015.
Now, in his role with the Trump transition, Pyle’s vision will shape the new direction of a federal agency that has been a crucial partner to California and like-minded states in their embrace of solar, wind and geothermal power.
Days before he was appointed to the role, Pyle, who did not respond to interview requests, tweeted that he expected the new administration would go beyond a mere rollback of President Obama’s climate-change actions and
bring about “a reset of a generation of failed energy and environmental policies.”
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-kochs-climate-20161205-story.html
Repugs/VRWC/BigCarbon/KockBros gonna UP everything they can.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...aper-than-windA transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.
This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially compe ive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
I uses solar also, but my usage is insignificant. I have an outdoors shed that I keep a car battery charges with, and RV bulbs inside.
How extensive is yours? Off the grid yet?
I expect repugs will kill all Fed support for renewable energy, killing 100Ks of jobs.
Most red/slave states do nothing to promote renewable energy, if not actually block it.
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Good for you. I genuinely hope it pays you handsomely.
FWIW.The University of Minnesota’s Energy Transition Lab published a report Tuesday at the end of a workshop with various stakeholders in Minnesota’s power sector. The report found that battery storage plants would be more cost effective than a comparative gas-fired “peaking” plant at meeting the state’s power capacity needs after 2022. While that might seem like a confusing or minor distinction, it’s a benchmark for a larger trend — battery storage is quickly approaching the point where it’s actually cheaper than building more natural gas power plants.
https://www.inverse.com/article/3416...er-natural-gas
flow batteries are more promising in almost every aspect for grid level storage than solid batteries
https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/20...minimum-upkeep
Of course, BigElectric/ALEC/Kock Bros are spending $100Ms to block energy storage, esp distributed solar + storage that would allow clients to disconnect completely from BigElectric.
btw, CA, of course, has so much renewable energy its has to pay others to offload from CA.
California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-f...tricity-solar/
btw, CA, of course, couldn't be bothered to put together the transmission infrastructure to handle the increase. Too busy building out solar to actually anticipate the increase. Probably need to take a page or 10 from ERCOT's book and figure out how it's done correctly.
What have TX and ERCOT done to promote distributed solar, with subsidies and transmission?
They've overbuilt the out of the grid for starters. Not that you can be bothered to read.
A major reason for the Texas wind miracle is the degree to which Texas proactively invested in transmission line improvements to accommodate more wind power from the state’s windiest areas to the state’s population centers. This effort was focused on creating Compe ive Renewable Energy Zones (CREZ) to facilitate wind power development beyond the state’s already impressive achievements in the first decade of this century.
Texas' wind resources are mostly in West Texas and the Panhandle, and most of its large cities are in East Texas. It made sense, given the growth of low-cost wind power in Texas, for ERCOT and state policymakers to invest heavily in the transmission grid to allow more low-cost wind power to reach population centers. Texas invested about $7 billion in transmission line upgrades to transport power from the largely undeveloped western part of the state to the developed eastern portions.
Interestingly, a very similar dynamic is unfolding now for solar, with the state’s solar resource far better in West Texas and the Panhandle than in the state’s more populated areas. Solar power can benefit, however, from the fact that Texas has already invested heavily in transmission line buildouts and solar power will increasingly be competing with wind power and other resources for available transmission capacity to wheel power from the sunniest areas of the state to the largest population centers.
We are already seeing most solar development in the state take place in West Texas, giving a strong clue about the pattern for future growth.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...-King-of-Solar
Yeah but Texas is a red state so...Repugs!
But, the D's feel as if Texas is a possibility, that it is no longer a lock for R's. I do not know if that is hyperbole, or, legitimate, but, if true, it is, in combination with Chicago, NY. & CA., a real problem with lethal undertones.
I wonder what the cost of these would be?
Sounds like a paradigm shift may have occurred.
Honestly you could just dump the white trash platform in the future and run a Hispanic if it comes to that I don't think Latinos are a guaranteed Dem voting block like Blacks are
US Solar Panel Makers Win US Trade Ruling
In a unanimous vote Friday morning, the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) found that the domestic solar panel industry has suffered “serious injury” as a result of “increased quan ies” of imports of solar photovoltaic (PV) cells and products based on the those cells. The ruling should have been a surprise to no one.
Now the ITC moves to the remedy phase of the process. That means that the commission will meet on October 3 to discuss a remedy for what the complaint claimed was dumping of Chinese-made solar panels at the expense of two U.S.-based solar panel makers, Suniva and SolarWorld, both of which filed for bankruptcy.
The complainants are seeking a floor price of $0.78 per watt on solar modules and a tariff of $0.40 per watt on imported modules. Analysts at GTM Research have said such increases would eliminate two-thirds of U.S. installations expected to come online over the next five years.
Following the October 3 hearing, the ITC must submit a final report to President Trump by November 13. If the ITC accepts the proposed pricing and tariffs — or, for that matter, any tariff — the president will have an opportunity to make good on his promises to ins ute tariffs to drive U.S. manufacturing jobs.
http://247wallst.com/energy-business...F7+Wall+St.%29
A great opportunity for Trash hurt renewable energy AND kill a couple 100K jobs.
Let's say the US solar panel mfrs can't meet demand, so imports pay the tariffs and fill the demand.
The tariff payments go to the US govt (and then to the oligarchy as tax cuts)?
Rick Perry and Donald Trump can't stop the trend, coal plants continue to close -- in Texas:
https://www.texasobserver.org/despit...dust-in-texas/Last month, American Electric Power (AEP) announced that it would close its 650-megawatt power plant in Vernon, a rural community of 11,000 just south of the Texas-Oklahoma line, by September 2020. The closure of the Oklaunion Power Station is the latest in a string of shuttered coal-fired power plants across the state: Since 2011, at least six have been mothballed, scheduled for retirement or closed altogether, casualties of cheap natural gas and a booming renewables sector.
why do people always think about ROI before they decide to spend on something?
utility bills continue to increase, even if you decide to change the way you use it, they will try to find a way to slap something to make you pay for something....
hence that tesla power wall 2 battery...
down here they have a rebate upto 40-50% of a solar system, but dunno if that also applies to battery... just panels + invertor + installation
OPEC charges its people jack for oil usage, yet countries with 1000s of years worth of coal in the ground, charges its citizens rrp more then how much you refill at the pump for oil
Trump offshore drilling ban puts a s ch in wind power:
Trump’s decision to rule out energy development along the East Coast will bar not only offshore oil and gas drilling but coastal wind farm development in equal measure.
The Interior Department agency has confirmed the broad reach of Trump’s latest orders and is likely to significantly impact U.S. wind development, a sector that has lately been recording the fastest growth amidst the Covid-19 pandemic.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...arms-Hard.html
this is the kind of Trash that Biden must fix early in 2021, block oil/gas offshore, while opening wide for wind.
Continental shelf oil/gas leases in the Gulf of Mexico that aren't producing "enough" should be cancelled and given to wind production.
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