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    Yes, and he got that deal after they made him a UFA. Likely, Orlando didn't want to give him an offer sheet, and he didn't want SA to match even if they did.
    But SA initially gave him an offer sheet. They didn't need to. They liked him but not too much. They are a model organization and respected his wishes.

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    He 100% got paid less to play with orlando. Probably more playing time. He is betting his current contract plus the contract 3 years from now will be bigger than the sa contract plus whatever he would get 3 years from now.

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    As Harlem said, in this league, 3/$20m is not a 'huge' amount of money. But it's sizeable enough to land a decent trade deal. Who else they have of value for a potential mid-season trade? Patty is not going anywhere until we know more about Parker.

    Maybe Danny and his $10m a year...

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    But Nono you're supposed to support DAFs master plan?

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    People acting like Kevin Durant just walked out or something.

    I liked Juice's energy as much as anybody else, but let's be honest...he wasn't THAT good. He had one good game in the regular season (Game 1 vs GSW), a few nice highlight dunks, a couple decent games guarding Harden in the Semis, and a good showing while getting swept against Golden State.

    They seem to forget that he was wildly inconsistent with his shooting, playmaking, and dribbling. The reason his series against the Warriors stood out is because it went wildly against what we had come to expect from Simms.

    He wasn't happy here and the Spurs weren't willing to overpay and/or give up cap flexibility to gamble him, so I can't really find a reason to get too bent out of shape over it. This is SpursTalk though, so I'm sure there will be plenty of people who have nothing but gripes about it and will put him on a pedestal as the missing piece when the dude couldn't even stay in the rotation over two years.

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    If that's true, Pop needs to get over that bull real quick. This is the NBA.. These are pro athletes who are naturally going to be a little y. There is going to be some showboating. Simmons never did anything over the top, and anything he did pales in comparison to what guys like Steph Curry, Lebron, Harden, etc do after half their buckets (granted they're stars, but still). Let these guys have some fun man.

    But I still think it was just a simple case of him wanting more dough than we were willing to dish out.
    Quit telling Pop what to do. He has five rings. You have zero.

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    Yes, and he got that deal after they made him a UFA. Likely, Orlando didn't want to give him an offer sheet, and he didn't want SA to match even if they did.
    So the Spurs could've kept him for that money... I mean, what you're telling me the Spurs had him by the balls until they decided they didn't want to have him by the balls anymore.

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    But Nono you're supposed to support DAFs master plan?
    Who's DAF, tbh?

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    simmons is a chill dude. when he was at my friend's place in austin a few months ago he said their apartment was nicer than his

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    Almost $7m guaranteed per year is not terrible money either for a guy scrapped from the bottom of the trash pile that's signing his first FA contract. He's basically making about 2x what Gary Neal made on his first non-Spurs deal, and I don't thin he had anywhere near the exposure Gary did.

    He basically made the league.
    Gary Neal hit free agency in a league that saw the Salary cap around 58-64M, not 94M. Simmons got payed decent scrub money in today's market.

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    So the Spurs could've kept him for that money... I mean, what you're telling me the Spurs had him by the balls until they decided they didn't want to have him by the balls anymore.

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    Rudy Gay's achilles better think twice about dunking, tbh.
    FIFY mi negro.

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    So the Spurs could've kept him for that money... I mean, what you're telling me the Spurs had him by the balls until they decided they didn't want to have him by the balls anymore.
    No. He didn't want to be in SA for that money. It wasn't about paying him more than anyone else. It was about him not wanting to stay unless they paid him huge money. He'd rather take $20M/3 in Orlando over that same price in SA.

    And the second part is exactly what I'm saying. The Spurs weren't willing to play hardball with him. They likely could have gotten Simmons for near the QO if they really wanted to be pricks about it. But they tend to let guys go and no Motiejunas them.

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    Gary Neal hit free agency in a league that saw the Salary cap around 58-64M, not 94M. Simmons got payed decent scrub money in today's market.
    They both got about MLE money for undrafted players, which is a step up from Bryn Forbes money (that's real scrub money).

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    LOL

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    Good for him. As far as the league goes, he's as close to a self made millionaire as you can get. Hopefully he does right by his kids and doesn't it away on bull .

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    No. He didn't want to be in SA for that money. It wasn't about paying him more than anyone else. It was about him not wanting to stay unless they paid him huge money. He'd rather take $20M/3 in Orlando over that same price in SA.

    And the second part is exactly what I'm saying. The Spurs weren't willing to play hardball with him. They likely could have gotten Simmons for near the QO if they really wanted to be pricks about it. But they tend to let guys go and no Motiejunas them.
    But the second paragraph is the whole point. It's a business, not about being pricks or not. He was an asset valued at about MLE money. Sometimes you can be a business-smart prick. He wasn't walking away from the QO money if that's all he could get (and apparently that was it), so he signs that QO, you take him in and if he wants to go, you trade him and get something in return.

    Like I said, we have very few players of value that can realistically be moved if we want to tweak things mid-season. You have to package half the scrubs on the team to hit that $7m mark.

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    It was obvious Pop and Simmons "didn't get along". Simmons is damn near the an hesis of a prototypical Spur. I remember the media asking him last season, after he had been benched and returned to the rotation, if he learned anything and he responded "nope". He was also dismissive when asked about Pop at All-Star weekend. It was played off as if it were a joke, but you could tell it wasn't.

    Dedmon and Simmons (since he clearly never wanted to be a Spur, I'm glad he's gone) obviously weren't determining this team's fate, but the way their situations played out reaffirms this organization's narrow mindedness and is going to continue to make it difficult to appeal to prominent players, most of whom don't fit their culture.




    He's probably got the inside track to being the third wing. Isaac will likely be brought along slowly and is a combo forward, while Hezonja played PF late last season and they're clearly at the point where they're not giving him anything.
    I specifically remember his comments about Pop at the ASB. I didn't get a good feeling about it back then but didn't mention it bc my "love" for Anderson I would get unnecessary trolling. He didn't speak well of Pop, glowingly like others tend to do, and he wanted to change the subject back to himself quickly as he could.

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    The #5 Argie behind you, Alvarez_6, Unurobili*, and Hegagamboa the guy who thinks planet earth is 6,000 years old

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    so he'll be in the dunk contest this year?

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    But the second paragraph is the whole point. It's a business, not about being pricks or not. He was an asset valued at about MLE money. Sometimes you can be a business-smart prick. He wasn't walking away from the QO money if that's all he could get (and apparently that was it), so he signs that QO, you take him in and if he wants to go, you trade him and get something in return.

    Like I said, we have very few players of value that can realistically be moved if we want to tweak things mid-season. You have to package half the scrubs on the team to hit that $7m mark.
    It doesn't make sense. Simmons out of the rotation on a $20M/3 is not an easy-to-move contract. Simmons upset and with a NTC isn't the greatest use of a roster spot for a team stacked with guards and without bigs. You're right that they could have ruined their reputation going Morey on him. But it wasn't worth it. Simmons wasn't worth it. Rather than going through any of that, Pop just checked his pockets and pulled out a new Simmons.

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    The #5 Argie behind you, Alvarez_6, Unurobili*, and Hegagamboa the guy who thinks planet earth is 6,000 years old
    Oh, DET guy... yeah, I don't know his plan. All I'm saying is that the Spurs could've gotten something in return after developing him and showing him to the world.

    Maybe I'm wrong. It's ok.

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    Apparently according to Marc Spears, Pop and Simmons didn't get along. Poop didn't like Simmons' showboating after dunks and Simmons felt restrained here. Reminds me of Dedmon getting pulled out in the playoffs after showing too much heart and fire.
    That sounds like a bunch of bull .

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    It doesn't make sense. Simmons out of the rotation on a $20M/3 is not an easy-to-move contract. Simmons upset and with a NTC isn't the greatest use of a roster spot for a team stacked with guards and without bigs. You're right that they could have ruined their reputation going Morey on him. But it wasn't worth it. Simmons wasn't worth it. Rather than going through any of that, Pop just checked his pockets and pulled out a new Simmons.
    Who's the new Simmons?

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    Rudy Gay being the marquee Spurs signing this off season.
    It was a GREAT pick up.

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