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Seriously what player is worth a to change the "Spurs Way"?
ST is really losing their over role players who've played inconsistent minutes for legitimate reasons...
Aldridge enjoying the most success in his career yet disgruntled about his stats...
Simmons being given a chance and cites politics and minutes as to reasons he left...
Horry saying established players have to dumb down game...
Dedmon leaving after one year, after getting in the doghouse...
Murray getting benched in the Summer League...
Are we finding the right guys? People coming in with the wrong mindsets?
When you have players like Forbes and White grateful to be here it reminds you of what it's like to find the gems that not only can play but have the right mindsets. I mean White cried talking to Pop. Brandon Paul seems thankful for his shot.
Some players using PATFO more then they are trying to use them. Spurs rep used against them, leading to players saying the right things to fit in but not having the right at ude where it counts.
Sensing the end. I can see why they kept Patty. He personifies the Spurs way and is an example with Tony and Manu gone soon, you need someone like Patty to yoke the youth or risk losing the culture. Hopefully PATFO can surround KL2 with right players...
Seriously what player is worth a to change the "Spurs Way"?
ST is really losing their over role players who've played inconsistent minutes for legitimate reasons...
Not even gonna get defensive. But there is definitely a trend going on.
I'll give you Simmons but Horry and Dedmon? lol please dedmon is worthless
Amen. Spurs have a knack for finding those players. Simmons players are a dime a doz
There's no trend...it's players who've had NO relevant NBA career before coming to the Spurs who want to advance their careers and get money. That's totally ok but Spurs aren't gonna be the ones to put personal goals over the team. It's all about doing what's best whether it's taking less $$ playing a certain role etc...a lot of players have accepted and some haven't but the end product of Spurs success holds water.
There have always been players who didn't sign on, the Ira Newbles of the world. It's hard to be a professional basketball player and play with discipline. (And expect lower paychecks.)
The problem is that with Duncan gone and Parker and Ginobili basically gone, the team is having to find what good talent it can to cram into those spots.
It may not work at all. The team may have to become just like any other, with personalities running the team instead of vice versa. That's what happens when a player like Tim Duncan disappears.
Simmons wanted 50 million. Got 20. That's not the Spurs. His agent sucks donkey balls.
Yeah, I just wonder if we are taking the chances on the wrong type of players. For example Aldridge could be Millsap(think he was a FA same year as Aldridge), Murray could be Brogdon, and Simmons not too worried about him. He's good but he's not irreplaceable.
Murray still has time so I'll be patient....
Players like Patty love the Spurs way because they overpay for loyalty.
Millsap isn't close to the player Aldridge can be. Going for Millsap wouldn't have moved the needle in terms of wins at all, and now he's way overpaid. Ya'll need to get off Brogdan's nut. He's one player of his type that worked out of hundreds. It was a fluke.
See your looking at solely talent, I'm looking at high character guys that are Spursy and can play too. Can't discount chemistry. 2014 is a prime example. We overachieved on a grand scale. Players trusted each other. Starts at the dinner table.
Spurs are going to get knocked out in the first and second rounds but at least they have each other and det culture. How can Kawhi go and team up with Russ and PG in Los Angeles when we have Patty Mills, two fatheads, a creek, and det culture
And if that happens you can do us all a favor and become a Laker fan. I think that would be a net gain for this forum.
Aldridge just didn't turn out. Going for him over Millsap was the right play. We would have lost more games with Millsap and already lost him because he's not worth the contract he just got.
Not passing up on a chance to on all of you vanilla PATFO fluffers. Never. I'll be here when Drunkford and Poop get exposed as frauds without Duncan, Kawhi, and Parker.
Suppose a Spurs player didn't buy into the "Spurs Way", refused to get over himself, and played on the floor as an egotistic black hole, looking for personal scoring stats over team wins. And demanded a contract that guaranteed him minutes regardless of his productivity. I'm not even mentioning the fact that some players like to criticize their coaches and front offices publicly. They are often malcontents, cancers in the locker rooms, and have little to show in the way of team championships despite all their physical abilities. You can probably think of several NBA players who fit that description.
Clearly that player would not be in the model of Spurs that have brought twenty 50 win seasons and 5 NBA championships. Would you want that player on the Spurs?
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I'll ride PATFO! Everyone needs structure and standards.
Rudy Gay seemed to take it ok
2014 wasn't an overachieving year...they were up 2-0 in the WCF in 12' blew a championship in 13 and dominated the 14' Finals in epic fashion..all while keeping the same core but changing smaller pieces..
Spurs competed the best against GSW better then anyone else..If they feel like they're close then so be it..I don't agree with every move they make but I trust in them..because they know a lot more then ST about what's going on within their own organization and across the league..
Spurs will never be the most talented team in the League..but they're always in the running. Every team that's made big changes are trying to get where GSW/SA have been or done..But will it be enough? We shall see..
I think Pop holds players back. I thought Murray should have played more. Simmons should have been starting with starters minutes. Bertans needs more playing time. Will Pop give Davis Bertans at least 20+ minutes a game? Probably not. He can play the 4 and 5. We're thin at those spots so he should see lots of playing time, but he'll probably have a bunch more DNP-CD's.
If I'm a bonifide Superstar why come to S.A.? To play 28 minutes a game? For an egotistical yelling coach?
Dedmon not re-signing with the spurs had to do with money which I can understand. Simmons not re-signing with the Spurs had to do with not getting super overpaid which he has admitting to when he stated that he wanted 50 mil. Horry has a personal vendetta against the Spurs that goes back to '08 and it has to do with the Spurs refusing to re-sign after he was washed up. Horry strongly believes the Spurs are the reason that no other team wanted to sign him back in '08 but he refuses to admit the truth which is that he was washed up. Murray getting benched is more to do with his ego. Judging by the summer league games he is still playing out of control and can't finish along with still having a bad jump shot. These are the things the spurs expected Murray to work on and it's apparent that he hasn't worked on them. Spurs are sending a message to him which is that he's not going to get a starting job handed to him simply by default.
Murray should have stopped hanging out with the NBA glitterati and hung out with his teammates instead. Seriously beginning to doubt he's Spurs material apart from his piss poor shooting and sloppy play. Bertrand should learn to play defense and rebound. Guy has the worst close outs in the league. Simmons didn't get to play how much he wanted and thought it kept him from a big contract. Boohoo. Maybe he should have worked on being more consistent. Maybe when he was playing during scrub time he should have shown he could facilitate and play team ball instead of dominating the ball and jacking up shots.
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