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Hope he gets a good, honest financial adviser and doesn't piss his money away on bad advice, cars and jewelry. Likely his one chance for lifetime financial security.
Neither would I. He made a very dangerous business decision. One thing to sign with an established business that offers a different kind of job stability then taking the job with more pay and crappy track record. I guess they are making good moves with the staff with Hammond and Forcier, but they are by no means a proven commodity. I like Isaac and Ross but they are set up in a way that he could very well be Stephen Jackson on a crap team, putting up inflated numbers or he could flame out like Lance.
I find it it hard to believe the Spurs didn't want to match 13 mill guaranteed. He slept with the Spurs got hurt then did the anger bang with Orlando to spite them imo. Hate it if true and this is just speculation but he said he felt he was worth 50 and with the Spurs holding the cards and not giving into his demands he was probably bitter cause he felt he earned more lol
But really Spurs owned him basically and could of had him for less but they set him free. Good form. Glad they didn't put up with his crap. Would of set a bad example for the rest of their signings. But how they handled Simms says a lot. You don't have to be here.(Letting him walk) It's a privilege to play here.(Quickly finding a much cheaper alternative) And this goes to role players... We take care of our guys if you put in the time.(Patty, Manu,Pau)
The system can be frustrating as some can admit, but they've done what they can to make a small market a contender.
Hope he gets a good, honest financial adviser and doesn't piss his money away on bad advice, cars and jewelry. Likely his one chance for lifetime financial security.
Yep. We don't know what Juice was like in practice (with apologies to AI) or in the locker room - or whether the $9MM "offer" from the Spurs was anything more than a rumor (started by his agent?), but the fact that he signed for a much lower amount, and the Spurs apparently didn't feel like renewing negotiations with him says that PATFO felt like he was definitely not really worth having around. Adiós and buena suerte.
Orlando finally gets their Spur.
Good luck with the Magic.
That he was. Had some very jump out of your seat moments.
This is a no zone. We can't have sagirl stinking up the place.
Best mean-mug I've seen in a long time, too.
Yes he was a good story, too bad he just didnt stick it out. Rent free, right?
Stay classy Spurs.
As fans we enjoyed watching him play. Wish him the best in Orlando and that he gets whatever he was looking for.
Trying to save face after landing a horrible deal. Too late.
Good to see that. Despite any beef Simmons had with SA in his mind, SA did what VERY FEW franchises would do and acted in his best interest vs their own.
SA had no incentive to rescind the QO - they did it because Simmons needed it.
I'm not sure where the bad blood and toxicity is and why everyone thinks the bridge was burned to ashes. They just realized his personal and financial goals weren't attainable in SA and did the next best thing, which was to lift the restricted tag.
I'm sorry but LOL.
I was talking to my brother about this. Simmons is mad about being a Restricted Free Agent.
I don't know how contracts work too much but the Spurs take a gamble to develop a player, give him minutes other players can use, the Spurs need to be able to get first dibs on said player.
The Spurs aren't giving him a contract without making sure he becomes a RFA, and he ain't getting one by any other team.
Simmons signed the contract and is upset with that obligation. Don't blame the Spurs for looking out for themselves. They are like I said, also taking a gamble.
The Spurs probably gave him the best contract, best team available, and still made him a free agent. You can't blame the Spurs.
His agent did tell the media the Spurs handicapped him?
more like the restricted free agent system handicapped him...
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Also, tons of RFA got offer sheets. Simmons was low, low man on the totem pole.
Yeah, lol. If a team wanted to give him 50 mil, they would have.
No brainer.
Especially when other teams talking to Simmons knew his negoations with SA weren't going well. Even as a RFA it would not have taken much for SA to let him go.Yeah, lol. If a team wanted to give him 50 mil, they would have.
No brainer.
Other teams were like, "well that's actually a good deal"... "we can't pay more than that" and he doesn't get any other offers.
I'm actually inclined to believe the Spurs were gonna overpay on a player for once.
Yes. The night Simmons was released, Jabari Young tweeted that he had just talked to Simmon's agent. And then he soon filed a story attributing "league source" that Simmons' representation was displeased with the way Spurs was treating Simmons. I would guess that most of the leaks in this process probably came from the agent in order to drive up Simmons price. The agent doesn't have any "name" client--Simmons is by far his "biggest" client. This is probably a case in which the agent had a number in his head for Simmons--which became a number in Simmons' head. And the agent tried to hardball RC (who probably has seen just about everything over the past 20+ years) and just way overplayed his hand due to inexperience. Also note that the the contract number that came out initially was $20 Million, which Sham had attributed it directly to the agent. So if Woj is accurate, then the agent intentionally put out a larger number, i.e., major spin for his own sake (not necessarily for Simmons' sake). He's probably in a major damage control mode, trying to repair relationship both with the Spurs and with his client. Remember, this free agency represented not only a big pay day for Simmons, but probably the biggest pay day ever for the agent as well. Spurs went through something very similar with Stephen Jackson, as some others have pointed out. It's nothing RC hasn't seen before, and he knew to just walk away in situations like this.
His agent should be fired, tbh..Simmons and George Hill were the biggest losers of free agency, both received poor advice and played themselves..
It would be another thing if contracts were actually reported in after-tax money, too. With the current 40% marginal tax bracket above $400k plus other taxes (Social Security, Medicare, etc), players might clear half of what's reported.
Don't get me wrong, $6.5M cash over 2+ years is still quite a bit of money, but it's easy to be disappointed in it when in your mind you've had to go from $50M to 20 to 13.
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