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    How were they aimed at Manu? Simmons played more than Manu in the playoffs, and damn near the same in the regular season.

    The politics could've been about anything. He likely would've seen an increase in minutes again too, and if Manu did return, I don't see any scenario in which Simmons doesn't play more than him.

    Simmons wanted more $$ and wanted to be able to showcase what he can do. He will have lots of time, and likely garbage time to do that in Orlando now.
    The politics comment is about playing time (others ahead of him), touches (Manu and Patty getting their touches in the bench), and role: he wanted more shots put simply. That's not how the Spurs roll, so culture wise it wasn't a good fit.

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    I definitely thought Simmons should have been a starter in place of Danny Green. I know Danny plays great defense but he leaves alot to be desired at that 2 guard position. Simmons may not be on Danny's level on defense but offensively he's worlds apart. You need your 2 guard to be able to get a bucket and possibly create for others. J-SIMMONS can do that better than D-Green.
    A starting two guard also needs to be able to shoot the ball...

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    Simmons, without shooting & defense that is overrated mostly (the idea of Simmons defense with his agility is better than his actual results 99% of the time we've seen him play) is the type of guy you can replace. It's really as simple as that.
    If it's as easy as you claim, then the Spurs aren't doing a good job of finding athletes to play on this team. With Simmons gone, we have to be one of the most non-athletic teams in the NBA. Pop's vision seems to be Leonard + a bunch of stiff spot-up shooters who couldn't make their way past a traffic cone.

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    I agree he will be missed, but Stephenson is a good example. He was an integral part of a team that got to the ECF... and a better playmaker and rebounder too, in that team. He was a starter too, not a bench player getting half his minutes in garbage time... He got paid and went to a worse team and he couldn't produce. He's not a natural shooter and going to a team in charlotte with poor spacing and no stars it was a different situation. He was nearly out of the league, while being a far younger player and maybe even more talented.

    All this is about Juice's ego. His agent actually did a good job getting him a multiyear deal in this market when guys like Tyreke Evans are taking 3 million per one year etc. The agent ensured no matter what happens at least Juice has his parachute contract already... more than I will ever make for perspective. But if you hear Juice talk this isn't about his agent brainwashing him or whatever. It's his ego.
    His ego took about a $30MM hit, looking for fiddy and settling for twinny.

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    A starting two guard also needs to be able to shoot the ball...
    Yeah I'm sure most would prefer Green over Simmons. I just think Simmons was the best shooting guard we had on the roster. I know his shot wasn't Klay Thompson like but he is a good enough shooter and hopefully improving. He can create his own shot, he drives to the basket, he can hit the 3-ball. No reason he couldn't be our starting 2 guard. Danny Green just leaves too much to be desired from that position.

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    Yeah I'm sure most would prefer Green over Simmons. I just think Simmons was the best shooting guard we had on the roster. I know his shot wasn't Klay Thompson like but he is a good enough shooter and hopefully improving. He can create his own shot, he drives to the basket, he can hit the 3-ball. No reason he couldn't be our starting 2 guard. Danny Green just leaves too much to be desired from that position.
    The two guard doesn't need to create in the Spurs offense. Their job is to shoot. Simmons isn't that great at it. No idea why that is so hard for people to understand.

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    If it's as easy as you claim, then the Spurs aren't doing a good job of finding athletes to play on this team. With Simmons gone, we have to be one of the most non-athletic teams in the NBA. Pop's vision seems to be Leonard + a bunch of stiff spot-up shooters who couldn't make their way past a traffic cone.
    It's not about finding athletes - it's about finding defenders. No one would say Kyle is an athlete, yet? A very good defender. No one would say Danny is a great athlete, yet? He laps Simmons on defense. Plus they have Kawhi who's a great athlete. LMA isn't a great athlete, yet? Tremendous paint defender/anchor.

    Seeing the picture here? People keep projecting what they hoped Simmons what be or what his physical profile represents without actually looking at the results.

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    50 millions? Besides being a mediocre player, he is delusional too.

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    Good luck to Simmons. He had some good moments, especially in the playoffs but hes nothing to worry about IMO. To me hes no...say...Gary Neal if comparing players that did it the hard way and definitely no KA (that is if KA plays up to his potential). KA could learn a thing or two from Simmons though which is to take advantage of the opportunity given.

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    i feel like you should have paid simmons over patty. he is a better more versatile defender and that is what you need to switch vs the warriors and houston. He also showed that he can create his own when all the spurs stars when down in the playoffs. something that patty showed us is when everybody went down his play got worse bc he didn't have anybody to draw attention from him on offense.

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    Jonathon? If it weren't for the Spurs organization, you'd still be playing in Sugarland. Good luck with your minutes and lack of winning or playoffs in Orlando.
    This. He has that 20 mill because Pop and RC gave him a chance to show himself and develop. I understand why he left, but he shouldn't be putting it out the media.

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    Its a day for san antonio when you let Simmons walk and keep Manure and ty Bricks
    Nothing wrong with the guy getting more money. The Spurs weren't going to be paying that money anyway. And the other two guys have nothing to do with Simmons. Despite the fact you always manage to discuss Manu in every thread.

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    Now say it without crying
    It's the ing truth. The Goddamn ing truth, like with so many other "discoveries" the Spurs have done throughout the years he's another guy who was no one before the Spurs got an eye on him and now he's a ing multimillionaire. I liked Simmons - it's a player the Spurs would need, no question in my mind - it's just sad that he wanted to talk about it like a bitter mother er. Doing himself a big disservice.

    Throughout the years we have gotten accustomed to players badmouthing the hand that fed them.

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    A SG who shoots 29% from 3 is not worth $50M, period.

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    $50 million?

    What complete lunacy. The Spurs would have had to trade Green or Aldridge or renounce Gasol to open up that kind of money. The most the Spurs could have offered was around 4 years, $36 million. If he could have gotten an offer sheet for any more than that the Spurs could not have matched without gutting the roster or renouncing Gasol, and the latter seems unthinkable after Gasol opted out to give the Spurs a chance at landing Chris Paul. Simmons' agent is just an amateur if he couldn't see the Spurs were handcuffed to 4 years, $36 million or less.

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    $50 million?

    What complete lunacy. The Spurs would have had to trade Green or Aldridge or renounce Gasol to open up that kind of money. The most the Spurs could have offered was around 4 years, $36 million. If he could have gotten an offer sheet for any more than that the Spurs could not have matched without gutting the roster or renouncing Gasol, and the latter seems unthinkable after Gasol opted out to give the Spurs a chance at landing Chris Paul. Simmons' agent is just an amateur if he couldn't see the Spurs were handcuffed to 4 years, $36 million or less.
    Spurs could have matched $50M/4 just as easily as $36M/4

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    Spurs could have matched $50M/4 just as easily as $36M/4
    I though Early Bird they could only match up to an MLE level contract without clearing capspace.

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    Simmons quit because he was sick of Pop taking cheap shots at Trump. Simmons can succeed in life without Black Lives Matter. The Bill of Rights is what leads to success in America.
    Last edited by Galileo; 07-15-2017 at 11:34 PM.

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    Simmons quit because he was sick of Pop talking cheap shots at Trump. Simmons can succeed in life without Black Lives Matter. The Bill of Rights is what leads to success in America.

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    Simmons quit because he was sick of Pop talking cheap shots at Trump. Simmons can succeed in life without Black Lives Matter. The Bill of Rights is what leads to success in America.
    Hey dude.........please stop typing.

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    I though Early Bird they could only match up to an MLE level contract without clearing capspace.
    Simmons was an Arenas RFA, so teams had to offer contracts the Spurs could match with EB rights. Think Asik/Lin for what a max looks like.

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    It's a shame money mattered more to Simmons that winning and developing. With the Spurs he would have been a good 2nd or 3 rd option and perennial playoff participant. With Orlando, he will get his numbers but he won't get winning, but i guess it did not matter. Afterall, every ex spur has such a great track record of success after leaving the Spurs. I do fault the Spurs for neither standing their ground, and simply matching any offer as long as it takes or trading Simmons for at least a 2nd round pick. What was wrong with that? That's the part I don't get, Spurs management botched that one.

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    Simmons wasn't great but I'd rather him than Green and/or Manu

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    Simmons quit because he was sick of Pop talking cheap shots at Trump. Simmons can succeed in life without Black Lives Matter. The Bill of Rights is what leads to success in America.
    Facts.

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    50 millions? Besides being a mediocre player, he is delusional too.
    Please link to quote where Simmons said he wanted 50 million.
    Or are you just parroting what OP wrote?

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