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    Tim Duncan retired for the same reason Simmons left: The bizarre strange left-wing conspiracy theory garbage from Pop against President Trump. I stand with Tim and Simmons.

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    Tim Duncan retired for the same reason Simmons left: The bizarre strange left-wing conspiracy theory garbage from Pop against President Trump. I stand with Tim and Simmons.
    Did you forget the blue font?

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    Tim Duncan retired for the same reason Simmons left: The bizarre strange left-wing conspiracy theory garbage from Pop against President Trump. I stand with Tim and Simmons.

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    They made it seems like Spurs could have had him. Although he was asking a lot to start, (the 50 million)... nothing was offered from the Spurs, who sent him into the market to look for deals and the Orlando offer was the best he could get. In reality, I am now completely sympathetic to Jsimms. I wished him the best before, but I completely understand this move now... after no offers from the Spurs, if the money was equal or even similar, he'd rather play somewhere else. The Spurs on top of not offering him a deal, gave Mills a 50 million deal at 12:01, got Rudy Gay, met with Andre Iguodala who was just using RC for leverage, drafted yet another guard, backed out of the sign and trade for Chandler, etc. Even with Simmons being a veteran who could play well his role wasn't guaranteed, his playing time would continue to fluctuate as Pop went mad scientist mode as he usually does, etc.

    Not ever getting an offer from the Spurs places things in a different light. The market turned out to be really tough but I think Spurs also alienated JSimms and I could understand the disappointment. Ultimately Spurs did him right by letting him go free since at that point it was what he wanted. He could have ended up signing the QO instead but for what purpose? The guy wanted to play somewhere else.
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    Dude asking for 50.
    Exactly. RC knows his value. Guy shouldn't be mad at the Spurs. They gave him opportunity and now he's making 20 million. If he's smart, he's set for life. But simmons seems like the type of guy likely to be be broke 5 years out of the league. He'll be 45 and working at Hardees while cursing Pop because he somehow screwed him over.

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    all you gots

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    Mills is unplayable against the team we need to beat... Simmons was the only one along with Murray that displayed heart... Some of you are making it seem like Simmons was being unreasonable... The guy never knew if he was gonna play or not... There were stretches of the regular season where he was inexplicably benched for multiple games in a row, but Kyle and Manu were stinking it up... Especially Manu who knew that he was gonna play every night regardless... If u couldn't see that Simmons was treated differently in a culture that preaches treating everyone the same u weren't watching... He deserved more respect... No one would come back to a situation where Danny Green is allowed to clank threes, play mediocre defense and basically be incapable of being played VS the dubs because he can't dribble or pass, but you get a reduced role regardless of how good you play simply because guys were on the team longer
    Truth bomb TBH

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    Simmon is bitter because the Spurs called the bluff of his agent and himself and didn't overpay him. Spurs deal was very fair. Nobody can confirm if the third year was guaranteed by the spurs but in his first 2 years he would have made 18 mil. Even if the spurs didn't resign him in year 3 it's hard to believe he would have not a found team to sign with for at least a few mil hence allowing him to still make more money than the magic deal. This move Simmons made was all about ego and being petty.
    No, he's 27 years old when he entered the league. He's not being petty. He could do a Tony and end up out for a season, and he'd be ed. He's trying to get paid because he probably doesn't think this will ever come around again. 2 million more for 3 years at least means he'll have a place to live for 3 years unless he gets traded to some other team as part of a package deal for someone like Griffin.

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    why is OP making up fake news? You don't need to character assassinate everyone that leaves.

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    Damn. This fact has the Poopsuckers running some serious damage control.
    coming from the guy who said he wouldn't vote for trump and was going to write in ron paul

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    They made it seems like Spurs could have had him. Although he was asking a lot to start, (the 50 million)... nothing was offered from the Spurs, who sent him into the market to look for deals and the Orlando offer was the best he could get. In reality, I am now completely sympathetic to Jsimms. I wished him the best before, but I completely understand this move now... after no offers from the Spurs, if the money was equal or even similar, he'd rather play somewhere else. The Spurs on top of not offering him a deal, gave Mills a 50 million deal at 12:01, got Rudy Gay, met with Andre Iguodala who was just using RC for leverage, drafted yet another guard, backed out of the sign and trade for Chandler, etc. Even with Simmons being a veteran who could play well his role wasn't guaranteed, his playing time would continue to fluctuate as Pop went mad scientist mode as he usually does, etc.

    Not ever getting an offer from the Spurs places things in a different light. The market turned out to be really tough but I think Spurs also alienated JSimms and I could understand the disappointment. Ultimately Spurs did him right by letting him go free since at that point it was what he wanted. He could have ended up signing the QO instead but for what purpose? The guy wanted to play somewhere else.
    I think the relationship broke down before he went out to get the Orlando offer. As his agent has been clarifying, there were no offers from any team (Which means it's also questionable whether the rumored sign and trade with Chandler was anywhere close to being done, or even if it actually existed)...so there was no offer for the Spurs to match. But then Simmons and his agent asked the Spurs to release him--which means the Spurs lose any kind of matching ability. The relationship ended at that point. Had Simmons obtained that offer as a restricted free agent, I'd guess that the Spurs would have matched it. Given that the Spurs seemed pretty interested in keeping him initially, the fact that there was no offer from them means Simmons and his agent never asked for an offer even after finding nothing as restricted free agent, but were rather intent on becoming an unrestricted free agent, probably because they thought there was more money than the $13M guaranteed by Orlando. Remember, after the Spurs granted him a release, Woj was saying that the Spurs were still hoping to negotiate but other reports (probably being fed by the agent) were shooting that down. What's telling is how much his agent's tone changed from before getting the release to after he signed the Magic deal. His agent knows that he damaged some relationships and is probably trying to repair it.

    Bottom line is that Simmons was right in trying to get as much money as he can since he can't be sure that he'll have another significant pay day. The problem was in the execution--and that's where his agent comes in. This is a lot like Stephen Jackson saying he got some bad advice from his agent back when he went through this process with the Spurs.

    By the way, RC probably knew Iguodala was just using him for leverage...it was Iguodala who called the Spurs. But he was probably happy to help Iguodala drive up his cost with the Warriors. They probably just met and had coffee and donuts together.
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    you, ass got

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    Dude asking for 50.
    Seriously? Confirmed?

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    Mills is unplayable against the team we need to beat

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    There were stretches of the regular season where he was inexplicably benched for multiple games in a row, but Kyle and Manu were stinking it up... Especially Manu who knew that he was gonna play every night regardless...
    Sorted. This is the issue, not the money.

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    I like Simmons but he's not worth 50 millions, at least not yet. He has 3 yrs to prove himself worth it or more. And he is at a great position to do it at Magic. I wish him well. The only thing is could we have not sign and traded him or package him with Aldridge, etc? I feel Spurs could've gotten something back.

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    Minutes on the Spurs have always been earned, not given. Simmons needed to leave. We have too much ME ME ME coming from our pussy SF/C Aldridge. There's Pop's way and the Orlandowey, homes.

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    Mills is unplayable against the team we need to beat... Simmons was the only one along with Murray that displayed heart... Some of you are making it seem like Simmons was being unreasonable... The guy never knew if he was gonna play or not... There were stretches of the regular season where he was inexplicably benched for multiple games in a row, but Kyle and Manu were stinking it up... Especially Manu who knew that he was gonna play every night regardless... If u couldn't see that Simmons was treated differently in a culture that preaches treating everyone the same u weren't watching... He deserved more respect... No one would come back to a situation where Danny Green is allowed to clank threes, play mediocre defense and basically be incapable of being played VS the dubs because he can't dribble or pass, but you get a reduced role regardless of how good you play simply because guys were on the team longer
    I can't believe this ing scrub has such hardcore support.

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