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why wouldnt he?Full control of House and Senate and still blaming the Democrats.
he knows 40% of the population will run with that.
why are the democrats obstructing a bill that we drafted in secret without allowing any of them in the room
why wouldnt he?Full control of House and Senate and still blaming the Democrats.
he knows 40% of the population will run with that.
for the other 55%, most of them know but the truth no longer matters to them, so they answered based on what they want the answer to be
I agree with letting it death spiral.
But, it won't, DS. There is enough blood/life in it that it will go on indefinitely.
Letting it go into a death spiral will hurt the middle class/workers the most - those who have been responsible and saved/invested and have to carry insurance to protect what assets they have. Those who have little or no assets will take a chance and go without. The number of those who get subsidies or now qualify for Medicaid will continue to expand.
tbh, this is just a reflection of the general inep ude of the GOP to understand and address healthcare...
Barrycare is a turd, but at least the Dems had a more or less clear idea what they wanted and executed it when they could.
These guys had 8+ years to come up with something, and it's patently ridiculous they're still empty handed.
It's only death spiralling in red states really
lol come on BB you know better than that. Barry started his push in early '09 and his healthcare reform was pronounced dead multiple times. By the time it passed in '10 he folded on the things that might have actually worked to get special interests onboard and even then Reid had to literally buy votes with like the "Louisiana Purchase" and exempting Nebraska from paying it's share of medicaid.
Some of you are celebrating like this is the end of the healthcare deal. It's just getting started folks.
A quote back from the Obamacare struggles that I've used before was "Obamacare will pass because Obama will pass anything". Does anyone think Trump isn't willing to sign any plan that makes it to his desk?
i agree that trump will essentially be forced to sign any healthcare bill that makes it to his desk. he won't even read it tbh. all he knows is if there's a bill that repeals obamacare, he's gonna do it. because obamacare bad. trumpcare (even if he doesnt know what it is) good
i admittedly can't verify the analysis here, dont have the time to look through and fact check the claims, but i agree with the general principle that the demand to completely abolish rather than modify/fix obamacare is largely an immature reaction because they dont want anything with the obama label to ever be fixed/working
The Affordable Care Act has problems, but it was never as das ly as its Republican critics made it sound. Years of exaggerations and misinformation about the law’s effect on individuals and businesses have now led to a political fiasco for Republicans.
The death of the Senate bill to scale back the ACA probably means Republicans’ 7-year quest to kill the ACA is, itself, dead. The House passed a health bill in May, but without a Senate version, there’s no path forward. President Trump and a few Republicans now want to repeal the ACA outright, even if there’s nothing to replace it with. But if Congress can’t pass an unpopular bill that eases some Americans off health insurance over time, it’s hard to imagine how it could pass a bill that would boot more people off insurance, much more abruptly.
Trump blames Democrats and a few recalcitrant Republicans for the giant embarrassment. Instead, he should blame prominent GOP critics who characterize Obamacare as the source of every problem in the US health system and an albatross on the economy besides. By vastly overstating the negatives of the ACA, Republicans created a mythic Voldemort that could never be tamed; the only option was to slay it at the first opportunity. The GOP forced itself into a doomed, all-or-nothing misadventure when it should have been addressing the problems that affect the most Americans—especially rising costs.
GOP myths about Obamacare
The first myth spun by ACA critics is that the law, which has only been in effect for three years, is the root cause of soaring medical costs most Americans feel. This is nonsense. Medical costs in the United States have been rising far faster than overall inflation for nearly 40 years, which means the typical family has been devoting more and more of its disposable income to health care. Of the 320 million people in America, only about 20 million—6.3%—get health coverage under Obamacare. Most of the rest have been unaffected by the law.
There’s one exception. Roughly 10 million adult Americans buy insurance on their own, without the benefit of an employer plan or Obamacare subsidy. Some of those folks ended up paying more under Obamacare, because of new rules requiring all insurance policies to offer a wide range of benefits not everybody needs. Congress should have addressed this problem, finding some way to offer relief to people who buy their own insurance but don’t qualify for Obamacare subsidies. But the GOP’s slay-the-beast mentality seems to rule out pragmatic tinkering.
The other GOP myth about the ACA is that it’s a job-killing monstrosity. The ACA may have allowed some people to quit jobs they held mainly as a means to obtain insurance coverage. But this is arguably a good thing, not a bad thing, because it gives more people freedom to do what they feel is best for their families — such as stay home with a child — instead of holding a job just for insurance.
It’s also possible some firms are reluctant to hire, because any company with more than 50 workers must offer insurance or pay penalties. But that would only apply to companies on the cusp of exceeding 50 employees, since smaller companies are exempt from the ACA. Even so, employers have created nearly 9 million jobs since the ACA went into effect at the start of 2014—a pace of job growth that exceeds the last non-recessionary period prior to the ACA.
If they weren’t obsessed with the white whale they’ve created, here’s how the Republicans who control Congress could be improving the health care system for millions of Americans: Find ways to make health costs more transparent and consumer decisions more rational. Reduce exorbitant costs for end-of-life care. Extend coverage to the 28 million adult Americans who remain uninsured and often seek treatment in emergency rooms. And give Medicare the right to negotiate drug prices with pharmaceutical firms.
But don’t expect any of that. Obamacare’s not dead yet.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-d...151451401.html
I think this is the thing you should have bolded...
There's no doubt the GOP has used the ACA as a boogeyman for all things healthcare but really the big negative aspect of the ACA is the effect it has had on the individual market. And that was completely predictable. The whole idea that you could take the uninsurable population, dump them onto the small pool of the individual market and then get young healthy people who don't really need insurance to pick up the tab or face a small fine was pretty ridiculous.Of the 320 million people in America, only about 20 million—6.3%—get health coverage under Obamacare. Most of the rest have been unaffected by the law.
There’s one exception. Roughly 10 million adult Americans buy insurance on their own, without the benefit of an employer plan or Obamacare subsidy.
I'm not celebrating anything, this was another wasted opportunity to get some sort of reform done. Barrycare sucks, what was before it sucked too, we all know that.
All I'm saying is that unlike Barrycare, which was a campaign promise and kinda turned into this gigantic turd because it was rushed in order to please everyone and pass, these guys had 8+ years to come up with a compelling solution to sell to the electorate, and you can tell they were completely unprepared for it. They can't even agree themselves, which really brings into question if any of them really went any further than the "repeal Barrycare" schtick.
The reality is that we're going to get into the mid-terms election cycle sooner rather than later, and this is when you want to spend your political capital.
Last edited by ElNono; 07-19-2017 at 04:13 AM. Reason: lol @ BB
The idea was that the fine would eventually grow to be more than an actual insurance premium, but, regardless, the reason we have 'uninsurable' people, is that the cost overlaps the use, and the cost has been rising and rising. At some point that's going to have to be tackled, or all you're going to be doing is increasing the 'uninsurable' population. This is really the big conundrum here, what's out of control are costs, not people, and neither Barrycare or whatever the GOP was trying to pass deals with any of it, which really does nothing for Americans.
Dammit! For some reason I always get you confused with Baseline when you post in here. Sorry.
Whatever the GOP passes eventually (if they get it done) will be a turd as well.
Sucks, tbh.... these are real opportunities to do something about it...
I just hope the GOP passes their turd and takes ownership of healthcare. Dems did it and got their ass kicked, now the GOP needs to do it and get their ass kicked.
Then maybe we can get a bipartisan plan. Healthcare is too big and complicated for these one off let's ram something through while we can plans.
related:
The Myth of Drug Expiration Dates
Hospitals and pharmacies are required to toss expired drugs, no matter how expensive or vital. Meanwhile the FDA has long known that many remain safe and potent for years longer. The box of prescription drugs had been forgotten in a back closet of a retail pharmacy for so long that some of the pills predated the 1969 moon landing. Most were 30 to 40 years past their expiration dates -- possibly toxic, probably worthless. But to Lee Cantrell, who helps run the California Poison Control System, the cache was an opportunity to answer an enduring question about the actual shelf life of drugs: Could these drugs from the bell-bottom era still be potent?
Gerona and Cantrell, a pharmacist and toxicologist, knew that the term "expiration date" was a misnomer. The dates on drug labels are simply the point up to which the Food and Drug Administration and pharmaceutical companies guarantee their effectiveness, typically at two or three years. But the dates don't necessarily mean they're ineffective immediately after they "expire" -- just that there's no incentive for drugmakers to study whether they could still be usable.
Tests on the decades-old drugs including antihistamines, pain relievers and stimulants. All the drugs tested were in their original sealed containers. The findings surprised both researchers: A dozen of the 14 compounds were still as potent as they were when they were manufactured, some at almost 100 percent of their labeled concentrations. Experts say the United States might be squandering a quarter of the money spent on health care. That's an estimated $765 billion a year.
... just another scam, ripoff of citizens for $Bs/year
Now Obamacare is in the criminal, destructive hands of Trash and Price
Obamacare’s Future Now Depends on an Unhappy White House
the Trump administration, rather than working to solve those problems, has mostly described them as failures of the previous administration.
The White House has declined to say whether it will continue to pay certain subsidies to plans for very low-income Americans, subsidies seen as vital to the financial health of the exchange business.
And it has suggested that it might decline to enforce the law’s individual mandate.
Both of those actions will tend to raise prices, discourage insurer participation and make Obamacare shakier than it would be otherwise.
While premiums for Obamacare plans rose sharply for many customers this year, a growing body of evidence suggests that
the insurers still in the market have begun making money and would be likely to stay if not for the administrative uncertainty.
So far, there has not been a widespread run for the exits among insurers, but that could change
if the companies feel that the administration wishes to actively undermine the markets.
There is, of course, another possible path.
The Trump administration could take actions to reassure insurers and help stabilize markets.
It could promise to fund the special subsidies, at least until the end of this year. It could signal that it will instruct the I.R.S. to continue enforcing tax penalties for Americans who lack health insurance.
It could promise to advertise Obamacare’s fall sign-up period, increasing the number of Americans who learn about the program and get coverage.
It could reach out to carriers and insurance commissioners to help them find ways to remain in bare markets.
It has the power to minimize damage from any of the current health law’s flaws.
At the moment, that does not appear to be the chosen path.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/1...ite-house.html
My bet is that Trash/Price will up ACA as much as possible, since both wanted to remove health care from 20M+ plus people with Trumpcare.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 07-19-2017 at 07:34 AM.
This is the problem right here. Something needs to be done to reign in prices. When people can't afford life-sustaining or life-saving drugs like insulin or epinephrine even with insurance, there's a big ing problem.
The ACA obviously does nothing to address this, nor will any piece of the GOP comes up with.
Remember when our Dear Leader on the campaign trail said we should be able to import drugs from overseas to lower prices? Yet another bait & switch from this crook.
naaaah, let's go after medical marijuana instead!
‘This screams crazy for Coco Puffs’: Internet roasts Trump’s latest illiterate health care tweet
I AM ING NUTS
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
The Republicans never discuss how good their healthcare bill is, & it will get even better at lunchtime.
The Dems scream death as OCare dies!
7:46 AM - 19 Jul 2017
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Twitter users were quick to register their total bafflement at the president’s latest utterance, and
many also pointed out that Trump himself had done absolutely nothing to talk up his own party’s health care bill or to describe in detail why Americans should support it.
Check out some of the top reactions to the latest Trump tweet below.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/this...e+Raw+Story%29
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