Manu is back!!!!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Manu made a few financial sacrifices along the way to stay with San Antonio and help keep the Spurs liquid. I don't blame him at all for getting paid last year. I'm glad he's back. His "1 good game in 4" is a lot more than we'll get out of the majority of next year's current roster. His mentoring and passion for the game will be a good example to the team.

[apalisoc_9]

Damn, at this point Its pretty clear Manu don't care about the team....

Not only is he going to steal attention away from KawhiMVP, he's also costing the spurs money.

Very unmaulike decision.

You know they say some people grpw stubborn as they age I guess.

[Phenomanul]

Damn, at this point Its pretty clear Manu don't care about the team....

Not only is he going to steal attention away from KawhiMVP, he's also costing the spurs money.

Very unmaulike decision.

You know they say some people grpw stubborn as they age I guess.

So what's your excuse?

Steal attention? Seriously??? Kawhi doesn't care about it.

[Down Under]

It's not ridiculous at all. He leveraged SA for a lot more money last year & stalled this year as well. It's not like he's doing the team favors, despite being 40, financially.

Just because a stupid team would offer him something dumb doesn't mean he is doing SA favors financially. Teams would offer Dirk a ton too but he doesn't leverage the Mavs that way. He takes less.

Manu is still leveraging as much money as he can and that is totally fine. But denying it is very odd tbh..

In fairness, Dirk has probably earned twice as much as Manu over his career. Plus Manu has played way above what his contract has paid several times (5 year deal at the end of '04 during his prime, 2 year deal the end of '13). As an 8th or 9th option, good on him. There's no way he's taking the min as you said.

[Spurtacular]

Guys like Tim & Dirk continued/continue to take pay cuts. Manu used one stupid team in PHI to leverage SA last year. Im not at all shocked that Manu dragged this out as now guys like Hanga were off the table, etc..He now has leverage for more money from SA.

Wasn't Manu a relative late sign all the same last year? And didn't the team pretty much have the money to pay him? I think he may have just been putting out a reminder to anyone concerned that he still had significant value. In the end, he still actually took less to play with the Spurs. And I figured it was understood that any generous payments were to make up for pay cuts he has taken in the past.

[Spurtacular]

Damn, at this point Its pretty clear Manu don't care about the team....

Not only is he going to steal attention away from KawhiMVP, he's also costing the spurs money.

Very unmaulike decision.

You know they say some people grpw stubborn as they age I guess.

Today's player fan.

[apalisoc_9]

Today's player fan.

These are the kind of posters that is allied with the Argentinians..

Sad Day for Manu Argentina fans.

[DPG21920]

I don't know why Nono is all defensive . Him taking money doesn't make him a bad person. I'm just stating what he's doing and it's pretty obvious, despite what he says, that money is playing a pretty big role in his decisions. He's trying to set his family up for life as much as he can.

There is no need to defend it.

[DPG21920]

He already stated he wasn't looking for a team and that Pop already told him he wanted him before even leaving for vacations... really it isn't any more clear than coming from the horse's mouth, tbh...

Exactly. He doesn't have to be looking for a team to leverage SA. As FA dry up (guys like Hanga couldn't wait for Manu any more) he know SA would pay him more money because Pop really wanted him back.

He drug this out on purpose. I highly doubt the extra 12 days or so was the deciding factor. Now SA, since they have his bird rights and no other FA, they can sign him to more money because it doesn't matter to SA now.

[DPG21920]

Manu took paycuts multiple times, tbh... including the contract right before the one you mention, and the one you mention too (IIRC, Philly offered more money)...

That's why pushing the money narrative makes no sense... the only player of the big 3 that has always re-signed for the max allowed under the CBA is Tony Parker, actually...

No, the Spurs genuinely think it's money well spent.

I knew you would bring up Philly and I already addressed it. One stupid team offering stupid money (SA was only offering 5M because that is where they valued him) and Manu turning it down does not mean he took a pay cut.

He clearly used PHI to leverage SA into 3x the money they offered even though we all knew Manu wanted to stay. He used his leverage wisely since he got one team to offer something stupid.

[Spurtacular]

These are the kind of posters that is allied with the Argentinians..

Sad Day for Manu Argentina fans.

If you were a real Spurs fan you'd get it.

[DPG21920]

In fairness, Dirk has probably earned twice as much as Manu over his career. Plus Manu has played way above what his contract has paid several times (5 year deal at the end of '04 during his prime, 2 year deal the end of '13). As an 8th or 9th option, good on him. There's no way he's taking the min as you said.

I'm not blaming Manu. I don't know why people are defensive about it. I think exactly what you said is accurate. Manu is trying to make as much money as he can now since he gave up some earlier in his career.

It's stating a pretty clear fact that money is an obvious motivator here but argies getting all bent out of shape and defending it like it's bad.

[Spurtacular]

I knew you would bring up Philly and I already addressed it. One stupid team offering stupid money (SA was only offering 5M because that is where they valued him) and Manu turning it down does not mean he took a pay cut.

He clearly used PHI to leverage SA into 3x the money they offered even though we all knew Manu wanted to stay. He used his leverage wisely since he got one team to offer something stupid.

But is he staying for the money or trying to get his equity? Because he still would've made $4 mil more to go to Philly. And they would have resigned him for more presumably.

[DPG21920]

But is he staying for the money or trying to get his equity? Because he still would've made $4 mil more to go to Philly. And they would have resigned him for more presumably.

It's pretty clear that you can both 1) want to play for SA & 2) try to get as much money in that situation as possible.

SA offered 5M. Manu wasn't leaving but money was important so he leveraged the PHI offer to get SA to play 3x more.

[spurraider21]

manu ginobili is the first athlete ever to take some time in deciding his future at 40+ years old

[spurraider21]

It's pretty clear that you can both 1) want to play for SA & 2) try to get as much money in that situation as possible.

SA offered 5M. Manu wasn't leaving but money was important so he leveraged the PHI offer to get SA to play 3x more.

the spurs cap situation wasn't affected either way. it was to their discretion. considering the previous contract he took when the team needed the cap space the most, it's really not a big deal

people threw a fit when he signed for 2/14 after the '13 finals, and he ended up being more than worth it. the following year he took the room exception to allow the spurs to land LMA

[DPG21920]

the spurs cap situation wasn't affected either way. it was to their discretion. considering the previous contract he took when the team needed the cap space the most, it's really not a big deal

people threw a fit when he signed for 2/14 after the '13 finals, and he ended up being more than worth it. the following year he took the room exception to allow the spurs to land LMA

Ok. I'm not blaming him. I'm simply stating the obvious here.

[DPG21920]

the spurs cap situation wasn't affected either way. it was to their discretion. considering the previous contract he took when the team needed the cap space the most, it's really not a big deal

people threw a fit when he signed for 2/14 after the '13 finals, and he ended up being more than worth it. the following year he took the room exception to allow the spurs to land LMA

And also, his money matters this year for many reasons. One, it might mean Pau gets 2 years vs 1 which is huge. Also the more he takes the less wiggle room SA has for moves in season since they are hard capped.

[Spurtacular]

It's pretty clear that you can both 1) want to play for SA & 2) try to get as much money in that situation as possible.

SA offered 5M. Manu wasn't leaving but money was important so he leveraged the PHI offer to get SA to play 3x more.

Agreed. But the argument was that he was coming back for the money. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had came back for one or two mil, since he loves to play. Are vets even able to make that low, nowadays? As it is, he's coming back for an unimpressive sum by today's standards.

As it is, I think "the big three" when they took pay cuts, they did it with the understanding that if they could be paid more down the line, PATFO would make it happen.

[ElNono]

I don't know why Nono is all defensive . Him taking money doesn't make him a bad person. I'm just stating what he's doing and it's pretty obvious, despite what he says, that money is playing a pretty big role in his decisions. He's trying to set his family up for life as much as he can.

There is no need to defend it.

Exactly. He doesn't have to be looking for a team to leverage SA. As FA dry up (guys like Hanga couldn't wait for Manu any more) he know SA would pay him more money because Pop really wanted him back.

He drug this out on purpose. I highly doubt the extra 12 days or so was the deciding factor. Now SA, since they have his bird rights and no other FA, they can sign him to more money because it doesn't matter to SA now.

I knew you would bring up Philly and I already addressed it. One stupid team offering stupid money (SA was only offering 5M because that is where they valued him) and Manu turning it down does not mean he took a pay cut.

He clearly used PHI to leverage SA into 3x the money they offered even though we all knew Manu wanted to stay. He used his leverage wisely since he got one team to offer something stupid.

son, you get an B- for the trolling effort, but nobody is buying it...

Plus, if he left money on the table, whether the other team is stupid or not, it doesn't matter. The market sets the price, and Manu effectively left money on the table on that deal to stay in San Antonio... you can try to that all you want to try to keep peddling that silly narrative, but it's ridiculous...

tbh, considering no Argie took the bait (yet), you get TS of 12...

[ElNono]

Exactly. He doesn't have to be looking for a team to leverage SA. As FA dry up (guys like Hanga couldn't wait for Manu any more) he know SA would pay him more money because Pop really wanted him back.

He drug this out on purpose. I highly doubt the extra 12 days or so was the deciding factor. Now SA, since they have his bird rights and no other FA, they can sign him to more money because it doesn't matter to SA now.

Hanga didn't need to wait for Manu, tbh... that's why what you're saying make no sense. The Spurs does have Manu's bird rights, they could've signed him for whatever amount once over the cap..

again, you need to think this trolling stuff a little more, tbh, at least make a cogent argument... it's ok, I'll point it out, you'll get ready for the season.

Look at apa, he went for the full Manu hater this season, he's not trying to drop subtles or anything...

[apalisoc_9]

Yup.

Not to mention Manu waiting this long just points to him trying to squeeze as much moey as possible from San antonio.

Dissapointing that my favourite spur of all time has stooped this low. Sad.

[ElNono]

Yup.

Not to mention Manu waiting this long just points to him trying to squeeze as much moey as possible from San antonio.

Dissapointing that my favourite spur of all time has stooped this low. Sad.

this is what I'm talking about... drop a line how he's trying to undermine Kawhi too, tbh

[spurs10]

As he just said, the Patty decision probably had more weight. Plus he's at a stage in his career where he doesn't have leverage on that anymore. Last year he at least had an offer from Philly, but that wasn't the case this year.

I certainly agree that his desire to play and help the team, as well as Patty returning, completely trump the money. Was just saying he will get paid as he should. Last year he couldn't help Philly throwing all that money at him.

[ElNono]

I certainly agree that his desire to play and help the team, as well as Patty returning, completely trump the money. Was just saying he will get paid as he should. Last year he couldn't help Philly throwing all that money at him.

Exactly, he also appreciates being on a winning franchise like the Spurs, obviously. If he wanted to max out on money, he would be playing for the Sixers now...