Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't see them below a 3rd seed honestly. I think sometimes people get caught up in going for the big names.

A little change in philosophy alone could show major improvements.

we didn't make any drastic improvements the Summer of 2013 either. Mindset is underrated.

[Spurs4#5]

I like how people write of a team months before a season even starts. I like even more how people want to make whole sale changes to team that just won 60+ games 2 seasons in a row. Anyone who says the spurs wouldn't have been able to have 50/50 shot at beating the warriors fully healthy is out of their minds. The team last year was constructed to compete with the warriors because right now no one is going to be better than them with that roster. Spurs competed with them all season long including the playoffs but injuries happened just like every year they happen to some team and thats that. If 90%of the people on this site were the gm or coach this team probably wouldnt have any les and wouldve been sold and relocated years ago.

[sasaint]

but the spurs aren't interested in 2nd or past that. OKC may be and houston might consider getting to the WCF a big step, but SA may just have thought after surveying the landscape that the risks regarding taking up cap space would have been unjustified. spurs never had cap flexibility and LMA's trade value was devalued by a cardiac condition, an up and down playoff run and rumors about his at ude. in the end, from an actuarial perspective, 2018 may have ultimately made far more sense. a run at 2-4 in the meantime keeps the franchise on the map, generates revenue and perpetuates the conversation that the 2018 FA's need to hear about them being the missing piece.

I agree completely. But that amounts to "giving up" on this season - at least for the Spurs.

[Chinook]

People should understand that SA was far and away the second-best team in the league last year. And it wasn't because they had tremendous luck with injuries, fed off the bottom teams or won a bunch of toss-up games. Folks want to about the roster, but the reality is that the team played better than 28 other squad, even when Kawhi was gone.

There's some real dissonance going on with people who have to accept a team full of "terrible players" can win two playoff games in a row against the next-best team. There's no amount of mental gymnastics that makes that reasonable.

[bklynspursfan]

we didn't make any drastic improvements the Summer of 2013 either. Mindset is underrated.

Most definitely. People want the headline grabbing moves

People should understand that SA was far and away the second-best team in the league last year. And it wasn't because they had tremendous luck with injuries, fed off the bottom teams or won a bunch of toss-up games. Folks want to about the roster, but the reality is that the team played better than 28 other squad, even when Kawhi was gone.

There's some real dissonance going on with people who have to accept a team full of "terrible players" can win two playoff games in a row against the next-best team. There's no amount of mental gymnastics that makes that reasonable.

Exactly. Clear cut 2nd best team, despite the issues they had. Most said they needed to play smaller more, and it seems they're heading in that direction. Real chance to be better than last season honestly

[sasaint]

I don't see them below a 3rd seed honestly. I think sometimes people get caught up in going for the big names.

A little change in philosophy alone could show major improvements.

I am never one who goes for the "big names". But the Spurs have constructed a very strange roster as it currently stands. Unless something changes with that roster, I don't see them competing with the Dubs or the Rockettes record-wise. I think that plenty of teams are capable of putting together a very good regular season with a record that could be better than the Spurs. OKC, Minny, possibly Memphis and even the Clips. (For all of those teams the Spurs always have a target on them.) I am very interested to see the Clips this season. They have a bunch of new and, to me, very interesting pieces. Their situation could easily be one of improvement by way of subtraction.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

People should understand that SA was far and away the second-best team in the league last year. And it wasn't because they had tremendous luck with injuries, fed off the bottom teams or won a bunch of toss-up games. Folks want to about the roster, but the reality is that the team played better than 28 other squad, even when Kawhi was gone.

There's some real dissonance going on with people who have to accept a team full of "terrible players" can win two playoff games in a row against the next-best team. There's no amount of mental gymnastics that makes that reasonable.

Truth. Second best team in the league added more shooting and a guy in Rudy Guy at a discount who if he comes back full strength will be a bargain and added difference maker against the Warriors.

[rjv]

I am never one who goes for the "big names". But the Spurs have constructed a very strange roster as it currently stands. Unless something changes with that roster, I don't see them competing with the Dubs or the Rockettes record-wise. I think that plenty of teams are capable of putting together a very good regular season with a record that could be better than the Spurs. OKC, Minny, possibly Memphis and even the Clips. (For all of those teams the Spurs always have a target on them.) I am very interested to see the Clips this season. They have a bunch of new and, to me, very interesting pieces. Their situation could easily be one of improvement by way of subtraction.

throwing a bunch of players together isn't always a fix. clippers still seem like the same dysfunctional unit to me with even more injury prone players now. rockets may not be done so hard to say where they will be but if they can't score anthony they really sacrificed depth for a strong one-two punch. OKC will be better, but they were pretty bad in the playoffs. i think the one team that will really be interesting to watch is minnesota.

[SAGirl]

How the is PATFO not going hard after Shabazz??

He sucks. Scorer who sucks on defense... who cannot pass the ball at all. Does that spell the definition of a Spur? Nope.
He would be in the doghouse the entire season for selfish play and bad defense.

[look_at_g_shred]

He sucks. Scorer who sucks on defense... who cannot pass the ball at all. Does that spell the definition of a Spur? Nope.
He would be in the doghouse the entire season for selfish play and bad defense.

What? Dude always raped us.

[bklynspursfan]

What? Dude always raped us.

Haha. There's a list of guys who do, but against other teams their true colors show.

[SAGirl]

What? Dude always raped us.

Only one game or so that I can remember. I remember far more games that Anderson got by him and scored with ease. He raped JSimms though.

[sasaint]

throwing a bunch of players together isn't always a fix. clippers still seem like the same dysfunctional unit to me with even more injury prone players now. rockets may not be done so hard to say where they will be but if they can't score anthony they really sacrificed depth for a strong one-two punch. OKC will be better, but they were pretty bad in the playoffs. i think the one team that will really be interesting to watch is minnesota.

I am a little more bullish on the Rockettes and OKC (at least in the RS) than you. As I said, the Clips may be a case of addition by subtract. I do not doubt that the Logo will have further impact. (I am not counting on Doc to outlast him, tbh.) I like Memphis' potential, too. (As the Spurs have been constructed to beat the Dubs, the Grizz have traditionally been constructed to beat the Spurs.) But, I agree completely that Minny is the team that bears watching. Despite the fact that they have thrown some guys together (contrary to your dictum) I would not be surprised to see them end up with a 2 or 3 seed.

[sasaint]

What? Dude always raped us.

We already have plenty of guys fighting for the minutes he would fight for. Not a position of need.

[rjv]

I am a little more bullish on the Rockettes and OKC (at least in the RS) than you. As I said, the Clips may be a case of addition by subtract. I do not doubt that the Logo will have further impact. (I am not counting on Doc to outlast him, tbh.) I like Memphis' potential, too. (As the Spurs have been constructed to beat the Dubs, the Grizz have traditionally been constructed to beat the Spurs.) But, I agree completely that Minny is the team that bears watching. Despite the fact that they have thrown some guys together (contrary to your dictumI would not be surprised to see them end up with a 2 or 3 seed.

yeah, i should have clarified. i just think that the moves by minny seemed to have more purpose and seemed to fit with their scheme. tibs seems to know what system he wants to play and he grabbed the players that would help that process along, starting with butler. crawford gives them some more reliable offense. and then they have a nice, young nucleus. the clippers, on the other hand, just seemed to grab what they could to make up for the loss of CP3. that's my perception at least.

[sasaint]

yeah, i should have clarified. i just think that the moves by minny seemed to have more purpose and seemed to fit with their scheme. tibs seems to know what system he wants to play and he grabbed the players that would help that process along, starting with butler. crawford gives them some more reliable offense. and then they have a nice, young nucleus. the clippers, on the other hand, just seemed to grab what they could to make up for the loss of CP3. that's my perception at least.

I really can't argue with that. But I still like some of the pieces that the Clips ended up with. Whether they fit together remains to be seen. I like Beverly. (Before the Spurs loaded up on inexperienced backcourt prospects, I really wanted to see them figure out a way to get him.) And they seem to have a real SF at long last in Galinari (a health risk, as you said). Plus, I think many of their holdovers will feel a sense of relief and freedom without CP3. So, I expect the Clips will play a different style with some highly motivated players. If they stumble badly, I could see them replace Doc, though.

[rjv]

I really can't argue with that. But I still like some of the pieces that the Clips ended up with. Whether they fit together remains to be seen. I like Beverly. (Before the Spurs loaded up on inexperienced backcourt prospects, I really wanted to see them figure out a way to get him.) And they seem to have a real SF at long last in Galinari (a health risk, as you said). Plus, I think many of their holdovers will feel a sense of relief and freedom without CP3. So, I expect the Clips will play a different style with some highly motivated players. If they stumble badly, I could see them replace Doc, though.

true, and if the clips do flourish, and it becomes evident that the offense flows better without CP3, i would have to feel some degree of relief that he did not end up with SA at the expense of some of our own players development.

[sasaint]

true, and if the clips do flourish, and it becomes evident that the offense flows better without CP3, i would have to feel some degree of relief that he did not end up with SA at the expense of some of our own players development.

I never really wanted CP3... I have to admit that my reason was that I wanted Pop to give the keys to Dijon. (So, I am capable of being wrong in my evaluations. ) Anyway, both the Rockettes and the Clips will be interesting to follow, with the CP3 factor in mind.)

[cutewizard]

we need this, again:

[cutewizard]

Rockets didnt move the needle against GS, tbh

none did

[cutewizard]

[TimDunkem]

^Tha ?

[raybies]

serious talk, y Kyle in that pick tho?

[Snaq O'Meal]

we need this, again:

The Spurs should win one during Trump's term as POTUS. The awkwardness between Poop and Trump will be hilarious.

[cutewizard]

Whats Pau Gasols status?