Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[spurs10]

I don't even want Shumpert, but if you can swap him and Irving for Green and Dejounte, you do it.

That would be a killer trade but it doesn't include LMA. Yeah I know Murray only started out of necessity a while last season.

[Hoops Czar]

And Green isn't going to get any better, Hoops Serf. At the very least, Shumpert can possibly learn a thing or two on a team with a great coaching staff. All Green does during the summer is get party, get drunk, and come back worse.

Also, I clearly wasn't directing the Murray comment to you. Get over yourself.

Get off your high horse. All Shumpert does during the Summer is style his hair. Green just turned 30 so to say he can't still improve is pretty pathetic. His offensive game didn't abandon him, the coaching staff switching from a motion offense to halfcourt ISO/post up happy offense did him in, or more specifically, the signing of LMA, the increased usage of Kawhi and Parker's game falling off a cliff. Green is a rhythm shooter and he's most effective when he can catch and shoot in transition as opposed to the halfcourt set. It doesn't help matters when there's no spacing because the Spurs Don't have anyone who can penetrate so Green's good looks are far and few between. His defense has slipped and he continues to get beat by the same play over and over again but he's still legnthy, agile and athletic, all things Shumpert is not. The Spurs couldn't dream of making a starter out of Shump because He's not really good at any one thing.

[TimDunkem]

But it is also adding LMA.

That would be a killer trade but it doesn't include LMA. Yeah I know Murray only started out of necessity a while last season.

It's unfortunate, but LMA doesn't even want to be here nor will he after a season or two at the most. Might as well set yourself up for the future now. Irving also increases your odds of adding someone through FA since most players in the league love him and would love to play with him.

Also, I have heard several times - since this Irving to SA scenario has come out - that Green might opt out of his contract after next season too, so you're possibly giving away two guys who might not even be back after the summer of '18 anyway for Irving. Why not do that?

[TimDunkem]

Get off your high horse. All Shumpert does during the Summer is style his hair. Green just turned 30 so to say he can't still improve is pretty pathetic. His offensive game didn't abandon him, the coaching staff switching from a motion offense to halfcourt ISO/post up happy offense did him in, or more specifically, the signing of LMA, the increased usage of Kawhi and Parker's game falling off a cliff. Green is a rhythm shooter and he's most effective when he can catch and shoot in transition as opposed to the Harcourt set. It doesn't help matters when there's no spacing because the Spurs Don't have anyone who can penetrate so Green's good looks are far and few between. His defense has slipped and he continues to get beat by the same play over and over again but he's still legnthy, agile and athletic, all things Shumpert is not. The Spurs couldn't dream of making a starter out of Shump because He's not really good at any one thing.

Yeah, I got up to this point and realized that you have no clue what you're talking about.

@ Bow-legged Danny who runs like a T-Rex being "agile" and "athletic". PFFT...

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, I got up to this point and realized that you have no clue what you're talking about.

@ Bow-legged Danny who runs like a T-Rex being "agile" and "athletic". PFFT...

At the very least, he gives you strong transition D whereas Shumpert gives you that Dear in headlights look every time he gets best off the dribble. You'll be begging for that T-Rex when you see Shumpert running like a one legged chipmunk who can't get more than 6 inches off the ground.

[TimDunkem]

At the very least, he gives you strong transition D whereas Shumpert gives you that Dear in headlights look every time he gets best off the dribble. You'll be begging for that T-Rex when you see Shumpert running like a one legged chipmunk who can't get more than 6 inches off the ground.

You can debate who's better between Shump and Green all you want but ,if you wouldn't let Green go to essentially get Irving and set yourself up for the future, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

[noob cake]

CIA Pops, get it done.

Role players are dime a dozen. Irving (25) + Leonard (26) is a dynasty for at least half a decade. Needs the Spurs to stop the Golden State Colluders.

[Hoops Czar]

You can debate who's better between Shump and Green all you want but ,if you wouldn't let Green go to essentially get Irving and set yourself up for the future, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

They can do it without giving up Green or they'd better get something other than Shumpert in return. I'd even take Channing Frye.

[TimDunkem]

They can do it without giving up Green or they'd better get something other than Shumpert in return. I'd even take Channing Frye.

I'd rather take Frye too, but Cleveland wants to offload salary. You still take Shumpert for Green if you're bringing back Irving. It's a no-brainer since you'll have your PG position locked up for years and increase your odds of recruiting more talent in FA.

[Cloud786]

Pick up Afflalo for the LLE to take Green's spot. He's still owed by the Kings I think since he was waived. We'd still be extremely thin in the frontcourt, but sky is the limit with KL+KI.

Cleveland gets Bledsoe to take Kyrie's spot, veteran proven player in Green, young prospect in Murray, and a 1st round pick. Murray & Green are both also close friends with Lebron. Phoenix gets rid of Chandler's contract for an expiring in Frye and a rejuvenated LMA to star along with their young core.

This is a pipedream. This won't happen. This is just for fun. But what if...?


Irving/Mills/Parker/White
Afflalo/Manu/Paul/Forbes
Kawhi/Anderson
Gay/Bertans/Lauvergne
Chandler/Gasol

Blossomgame/Costello

[TimDunkem]

"B-b-b...but...Danny!!! "

[spurs10]

I'd rather take Frye too, but Cleveland wants to offload salary. You still take Shumpert for Green if you're bringing back Irving. It's a no-brainer since you'll have your PG position locked up for years and increase your odds of recruiting more talent in FA.

That is true. Irving in SA changes a lot for our future.

[Hoops Czar]

I'd rather take Frye too, but Cleveland wants to offload salary. You still take Shumpert for Green if you're bringing back Irving. It's a no-brainer since you'll have your PG position locked up for years and increase your odds of recruiting more talent in FA.

While I agree you make the trade10/10 times, Shump has a player option year after next. That'll work in one of two ways... 1.)Shump opts in 2.) Shump out out for longer term deal with the Spurs. keep in mind that both Parker and Kyle are eligible and will in all likelihood receive their loyalty contracts next season. Depending on what Pau's new loyalty contract looks like and Ginobili's inevitable return for a 17th season at age 41, they might not have enough leftover for another max contract anytime soon.

[Ice009]

So if the Spurs somehow manage to trade for him, we're not likely to be able to open up a max slot to get a 3rd star onto the team next off-season?

I thought it might still be possible due to both Kawhi and Kyrie (sounds awesome saying that) being on the old max contracts.

[cd021]

Dejounte is not a legitimate starter, and Green is marginally better than Shumpert. It's essentially a LMA for Irving deal. It's possible the Cavs send back another contract too. Maybe Osman?

Shumpert rep is almost as bad as Jeff Green's, he really doesn't do anything particularly well and he isn't a very good defender.

Danny is much better.

Osman just signed, I think he couldn't be dealt until December and I don't see why the Cavs would give him up despite the Spurs interest in him.

[Raven]

people stop embarrassing yourselves with irving ...

[SAGirl]

If they find no suitable replacement for Lamarcus the Shumpert thing is the least of their worries. It isn't a perfect situation but you either do something like this now or do it later. LMA and Danny are going to be up for contracts anyways... and there is the persistent rumor that LMA is walking so next season it could be a similar situation but without assets to get Kyrie plus everyone that is old is going to be older, and the guys that could retire may very well be.

[BatManu20]

[MoSpur02]

That article/report that SAGirl posted seems fake. I don't see anything like that on the internet.

[SAGirl]

That article/report that SAGirl posted seems fake. I don't see anything like that on the internet.

For the record I didn't post it. It was some page someone shared and I just cut an pasted from a link.
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I will say this for Kyrie. He may get criticism and all but he gave Cleveland an opportunity to get assets for him, and a lot of opportunity and advance notice to find assets in return, unlike the state the Lebron left Cleveland in and is likely to leave them in again.

A sample of offers from other teams.

[MoSpur02]

Not saying you made it up. Just saying that report seems fake.

[MoSpur02]

I also don't buy the whole LeBron James staying out of the whole Kyrie situation. We all know LeBron runs the Cavs organization.

[SAGirl]

roger that mospur

[Big Empty]

Damn. Ive been hoping id get a notification on my phone that we got Kyrie by now. Blah.

[MoSpur02]

Over and out SAGirl