Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[Mr. Body]

roger that mospur

Why bother keeping Wiggins?

[BatManu20]

Don't really believe any of this tbh, but whatever. From Clutchfans, cited from a Cavs board:

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is this old news????

From Cavs Board:

I have been a member on this board for almost ten years and lurker way before that and I give my opinion on things here and there and I received some info from a cavs employee this morning we all know and I would like to share it with you guys.

He told me Lebron pretty much told Gilbert to trade kyrie for cp3 and Gilbert approached Griffin with the plan and when Griffin refused he was let go. When he was let go he had people tell kyrie he was let go because he didn't listen to Lebron and griffin plan of getting rid of him for Lebrons buddy.

Kyrie went to the front office and requested to be traded after he got wind of what was going on. Before the original story broke Lebron had windy break news that kyrie requsted a trade and he that he was devastated of his trade request so he wouldn't look like the bad guy.

To sum up the conversation he said kyrie is going to be traded to Phoenix or ny in a 3 team deal and that we will receive bledsoe , melo and hopefully josh Jackson and a few others from are team will be headed out. Please don't bash be for my post I'm just giving you guys a little info I heard from a very reliable source .

[Leetonidas]

This all assume Melo wants to play on a sinking ship in Cleveland. All reports we've heard indicated he still wants to be in Houston

[Clipper Nation]

Don't really believe any of this tbh, but whatever. From Clutchfans, cited from a Cavs board:

Fake news. The only reason a CP0 trade even happened is because he decided he wanted to go to Houston and they needed to dump a bunch of contracts to fit him under the cap. Otherwise, he'd have opted out of his contract.

[cd98]

Fake news. The only reason a CP0 trade even happened is because he decided he wanted to go to Houston and they needed to dump a bunch of contracts to fit him under the cap. Otherwise, he'd have opted out of his contract.

Right and if LeBron told Paul he wanted him on the Cavs, Paul would have gone there no doubt. Surely playing with LeBron in the Leastern Conference is the easiest path to the finals.

[coachmac87]

This all assume Melo wants to play on a sinking ship in Cleveland. All reports we've heard indicated he still wants to be in Houston

This. Melo is adamant on Houston

[Mnky]

Why bother keeping Wiggins?

He was arguably their best player in the second half of the season. Still young and raw. Has plenty of room to grow and take advantage of his ridiculous athleticism at a position that has dominated the league the past few years.

[Mnky]

Don't really believe any of this tbh, but whatever. From Clutchfans, cited from a Cavs board:

Doesnt make much sense at all. Houston got a bunch of cap relief deals to land Paul, and hardly gave up much. Cleveland could have competed with their deal easily. Houston was where Paul wanted to go.

[BatManu20]

[Mnky]

I don't see how media folk are saying Kyrie has no say in this deal. That has become silly in this day and age when we see how much one player can nose dive a franchise. Who is willing to mortage their future for a couple years of a player? Especially when that player wont get them past GSW unless its a team that is already competing with them like the Spurs, etc. Not arguing for the spurs, as they have very little to offer, what I'm saying is the player being vocal about resigning or not resigning is changing the game with the likes of franchise players moving around way more than ever, and leaving behind absolutely nothing in return. Irving saying he wants to go somewhere, plays a big part in the deals. If he isn't interested, the GM would have to be looking for a new job for trading away their future for a rental in GSW prime years. Just doesn't add up. Players have way more pull than they used to. Cleveland has two years, one without Lebron. They may start making moves to build around kyrie just the same, if nothing big comes up.

[Mr. Body]

He was arguably their best player in the second half of the season. Still young and raw. Has plenty of room to grow and take advantage of his ridiculous athleticism at a position that has dominated the league the past few years.

He's a ridiculously ty defender.

[cd021]

Trade idea:
(Slight change from some of the hypothetical ones above)

Spurs Get:

Kyrie IrvingTyson Chandler

Cavs Get:

Jared Dudley
Eric Bledsoe
Dejounte Murray
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick


Suns Get
LaMarcus Aldridge
Channing Fry


-Suns get to test drive Aldridge while ridding themselves of Chandler and Bledsoe potentially freeing up $23+ million in 2018-2019. Fry is an expiring contract who they could flip later in the season to a team that needs shooting.

-Spurs get a starting center to try fill the void left by LMA and a star to pair with Kawhi in Chandler and Irving.

-Cavs get Bledsoe who is a much better defender than Irving and coming off the best season of his career and fairly cheat compared to other starting PGs. Dudley gives them another 3 and D player, they get a 1st round pick from the Spurs (giving them two 1st round picks in 2018), they add Murray as a cheap prospect and they still end up saving about $ half a million dollars.

Irving-Mills-Forbes
Green-Manu-White
Leonard-Anderson-Blossomgame
Gay-Bertans
Chandler-Gasol-Lavergne-Costello

[benefactor]

This all assume Melo wants to play on a sinking ship in Cleveland. All reports we've heard indicated he still wants to be in Houston

Yeah...this seems to be getting lost in all this. Why the would Melo ok a trade to Cleveland when his holding all the cards with his no trade clause? He knows James is leaving and it behooves him to find a team that he can sign an extension with.

[DPG21920]

I also don't understand pushing the "Kyrie doesn't have a no-trade clause" narrative. Very few players ever have no-trade clauses and they still force their way to teams all the time.

If a player has a no-trade clause, then it gives absolute power to the player. Even if they don't, like Kyrie, it certainly behooves teams to work with that players list of teams.

Like the Paul George situation, everyone knows that Kyrie has that same no-trade clause on CLE yet he's forcing his way out. So if you are a team not on "the list" and you know Kyrie can/is forcing his way out with the same contract you would be getting, are you really giving up prime assets to get him knowing he will do the same to you?

Sure, the no-trade clause opens up the door for a team not on the list to throw caution to the wind and offer a big package in hopes they can convince him to stay, but that seems somewhat unlikely. It's definitley possible though.

Long-story short, even without a no-trade clause, many times we see exactly why the list of teams from a player still matters.

[Clipper Nation]

Right and if LeBron told Paul he wanted him on the Cavs, Paul would have gone there no doubt. Surely playing with LeBron in the Leastern Conference is the easiest path to the finals.

CP0 was set on Houston. It came out after the trade that Frauden and the Rockets had been tampering with him all of last season, and their recruiting pitch clearly worked.

[DPG21920]

Costa & Fox is not better than LMA/Murray. I don't care how high you value Fox at this point. Fox could turn out to be a stud, but currently that is not better than LMA/Murray.

[SpursBig3s]

Trade idea:
(Slight change from some of the hypothetical ones above)

Spurs Get:

Kyrie IrvingTyson Chandler

Cavs Get:

Jared Dudley
Eric Bledsoe
Dejounte Murray
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick


Suns Get
LaMarcus Aldridge
Channing Fry
-Suns get to test drive Aldridge while ridding themselves of Chandler and Bledsoe potentially freeing up $23+ million in 2018-2019. Fry is an expiring contract who they could flip later in the season to a team that needs shooting.

-Spurs get a starting center to try fill the void left by LMA and a star to pair with Kawhi in Chandler and Irving.

-Cavs get Bledsoe who is a much better defender than Irving and coming off the best season of his career and fairly cheat compared to other starting PGs. Dudley gives them another 3 and D player, they get a 1st round pick from the Spurs (giving them two 1st round picks in 2018), they add Murray as a cheap prospect and they still end up saving about $ half a million dollars.

Irving-Mills-Forbes
Green-Manu-White
Leonard-Anderson-Blossomgame
Gay-Bertans
Chandler-Gasol-Lavergne-Costello

thats not bad. Except Chandler has what, 2yrs and 26 million left on his deal?

[DPG21920]

My guess: Kyrie is indeed traded by opening day and one of the 4 teams listed is involved. Of course some team not on the list can do something silly and if that is the case CLE should take it and let the other team find out how dumb that is.

[BatManu20]

thats not bad. Except Chandler has what, 2yrs and 26 million left on his deal?

$26.5M, yea. Spurs would/should take that deal in a heartbeat though, if it were to ever reveal itself as a possibility.

[BatManu20]

Knicks or Suns, me thinks. Never count out slick Pat Riley though.

[Jdspur20]

I also don't understand pushing the "Kyrie doesn't have a no-trade clause" narrative. Very few players ever have no-trade clauses and they still force their way to teams all the time.

If a player has a no-trade clause, then it gives absolute power to the player. Even if they don't, like Kyrie, it certainly behooves teams to work with that players list of teams.

Like the Paul George situation, everyone knows that Kyrie has that same no-trade clause on CLE yet he's forcing his way out. So if you are a team not on "the list" and you know Kyrie can/is forcing his way out with the same contract you would be getting, are you really giving up prime assets to get him knowing he will do the same to you?

Sure, the no-trade clause opens up the door for a team not on the list to throw caution to the wind and offer a big package in hopes they can convince him to stay, but that seems somewhat unlikely. It's definitley possible though.

Long-story short, even without a no-trade clause, many times we see exactly why the list of teams from a player still matters.

All very solid points

[raybies]

The Suns want Irving... why do people keep acting like Phx wants Aldridge. They don't. They are building a young core. Unless a lottery pick is involved they are not gonna bother dumping players just for expiring contracts. They want picks and prospects and have said as much. So reroute LMA to another team. Also Cleveland would want those picks for Irving. He hasn't even entered his prime yet and have 2 years on his deal.

and to DPG, Paul George got traded to OKC on 1 year deal, if you think some team with the right scenery won't have the best package and risk it.

[palangi]

The Suns want Irving... why do people keep acting like Phx wants Aldridge. They don't. They are building a young core. Unless a lottery pick is involved they are not gonna bother dumping players just for expiring contracts. They want picks and prospects and have said as much. So reroute LMA to another team. Also Cleveland would want those picks for Irving. He hasn't even entered his prime yet and have 2 years on his deal.

and to DPG, Paul George got traded to OKC on 1 year deal, if you think some team with the right scenery won't have the best package and risk it.

Getting Aldridge would allow pheonix to get out from under chandler and Bledsoe contact while picking up some talent. And then Aldridge comes off the books next year. Or they could flip him at the trade deadline for picks.

[DPG21920]

The Suns want Irving... why do people keep acting like Phx wants Aldridge. They don't. They are building a young core. Unless a lottery pick is involved they are not gonna bother dumping players just for expiring contracts. They want picks and prospects and have said as much. So reroute LMA to another team. Also Cleveland would want those picks for Irving. He hasn't even entered his prime yet and have 2 years on his deal.

and to DPG, Paul George got traded to OKC on 1 year deal, if you think some team with the right scenery won't have the best package and risk it.

Raybies, what IND got in return for PG due to him being traded to a team not on his list was trash.

If CLE is willing to sell Kyrie for garabage and eating a ton of money at the same time, well then sure Every team can beat SA there.

[spurs10]

I'm wondering if it's more than speculation that SA is his preferred place to land. If so I hope the Cavs respect that for everyone's sake.