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Pelosi didn't abandon it, she got it passed. Obama abandoned it and Reid was pretty worthless. I was pissed the GOP ran a nut like Sharron Angle thus preserving Reid's seat. that guy.
Even in that scenario it is unlikely you get national healthcare with a strictly partisan vote. Dems can't get those kind of majorities without more conservative blue dog types. Obama managed to get them to fall on the sword for the ACA and they paid the price. Problem is they fell on the sword for a turd. That won't be forgotten.
Obama/Pelosi/Reid had a of an opportunity for the progressive cause and they screwed the pooch when they abandoned the public option without a whimper.
Pelosi didn't abandon it, she got it passed. Obama abandoned it and Reid was pretty worthless. I was pissed the GOP ran a nut like Sharron Angle thus preserving Reid's seat. that guy.
Reid had BigInsurnace Lieberman as 60th vote, not 60 Dems
Senate rejects proposal to repeal and replace Obamacare
"Senate Republicans voted Tuesday afternoon to advance to floor debate on their efforts to re-write health care policy,
the Senate decisively rejected a Republican proposal to repeal-and-replace Obamacare,
a sign of the chaos expected to envelop Capitol Hill as GOP leaders work to find a plan their conference can agree to."
This first vote dealt with a measure that combined a previous Senate proposal known as the Better Care Reconciliation Act -- that was rejected by several Republican senators --
with $100 billion in extra money for people on Medicaid desired by moderate Republicans and
a proposal from conservative Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, to allow bare-bones health insurance plans.
Democrats moved successfully to kill the amendment,
which was possible because it had not been officially scored by the Congressional Budget Office and therefore didn't meet the complicated reconciliation rules that the Senate is using to consider the bill.
Republicans needed 60 votes to keep the amendment alive. It died on a 43 to 57 vote.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/politics/senate-health-care-vote/index.html?sr=fbCNN072617senate-health-care-vote0302PMVODtop
Shannon Watts
✔@shannonrwatts
John McCain left hospital stay paid by taxes
on flight paid by taxes
to remove health insurance from taxpayers.
And we paid him to do it.
2:39 PM - 25 Jul 2017
Trump says the motion to proceed means Obamacare repeal is in “good shape.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...amacare-repeal
Wow you don't say? Republicans voted against a wildly unpopular bill that required 60 votes and thus had absolutely no chance of passing on party lines?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog...e-health-care/
NATE SILVER 10:26 PM
Some Surprising GOP Votes On BCRA
Some of the individual votes Tuesday night were surprising. Overall, nine Republicans opposed the amendment, which was a de facto vote on the BCRA.
The “no” votes — in rough order of least to most surprising — were Collins, Paul, Murkowski, er, Lee, Moran, Graham, Corker and Cotton.
But “yes” votes included McCain, who had implied in his speech on the Senate floor that he opposed the BCRA, and Capito, who had indicated opposition to an earlier version of it.
For Capito, my theory is that she thinks the BCRA would be bad for West Virginia because of its huge Medicaid cuts, but also knows that Trump is super popular in her state. So an outcome where the bill fails but she winds up supporting Trump’s position is pretty optimal for her. How she would have voted if she were the decisive vote might be harder to say.
By the same token, the fact that the BCRA wasn’t actually close to passage also enabled some potentially token-ish “no” votes. Corker said he voted no because of the lack of a Congressional Budget Office score, for instance — but Corker had voted for the motion to proceed earlier today when McConnell needed his vote despite the irregularity of the process.
As for McCain … I don’t know what to say. My beef is really with how the media covers McCain more than with McCain himself. As we wrote about McCain last week, he’s generally much more interested in foreign policy and national security than domestic policy. So when he actually takes “maverick-y” votes, it’s usually on those issues and not on others like health care.
Still, there’s a question here about how much the media ought to be weighing words or promises to vote a certain way versus actual floor votes. As we learned just now, those are very different things — including for McCain.
NATE SILVER 3:40 PM
McCain Punditry Mini-Rant
Part of why McCain does what he does: There’s a generational and philosophical divide in how he’s covered by the press.
Among younger and less traditional reporters on Twitter — especially on the left but by no means exclusively so — a lot of people are pointing out McCain’s inconsistency in scolding McConnell’s process but nevertheless voting for the motion to proceed.
On CNN, however, the commentary about McCain’s speech was glowing. And the commentary has also been very warm in Twitter comments we’ve seen from older reporters at the major news networks and at newspapers like The Washington Post.
Longtime readers of FiveThirtyEight know that I have a lot of beefs with the establishment media. Moments like these, where they elevate style over substance, are a big part of why.
But, if he weren't terminally ill it would've never happened, bum. Someone...Schumer? Pence?, someone(s) who isn't Stage 4 needed to arrive next to McCain and echo his plea. But, (we) were too busy relishing the meal to come.
+ CNN/Media never touch(es)(ed) McCain's indictment of (their) behavior.
I don't think we need 60+ seats anymore since the Gorsuch filibuster thing
...
Last edited by RandomGuy; 07-26-2017 at 10:27 AM. Reason: wrong thread
How about this wondrous health care SCAM
The Company Behind Many Surprise Emergency Room Bills
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/upshot/the-company-behind-many-surprise-emergency-room-bills.html?mtrref=undefined
All that meant was judicial appointments only need 50+1 votes.
McCain is such a bag. He blasts Trump to the cameras and the media loves him for it but then he goes and votes in line with that fascist .
This is such a terrible process this senate is using to jam this bill through
after voting to allow such process to jam the bill through
McC isn't done yet with breaking the Senate.McCain is such a bag. He blasts Trump to the cameras and the media loves him for it but then he goes and votes in line with that fascist .
after voting to allow such process to jam the bill through
KY, just another slave state helping the Confederacy up the Yankee govt.
McCain stood at the podium and said he would vote 'no' on the bill as it stands—guess how he voted
"I voted for the motion to proceed to allow debate to continue and amendments to be offered. I will not vote for the bill as it is today. It's a s of a bill right now. We all know that. I have changes urged by my state's governor that will have to be included to earn my support for final passage of any bill. I know many of you will have to see the bill changed substantially for you to support it.”
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre
March of Dimes Saved McConnell's Life. Now He Won't Even Meet With Them.
when Mitch McConnell was a toddler, he contracted polio.
Thankfully for him, a small hospital in Warm Springs Georgia was able to treat him due to funding from the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis.
This charity helped little Mitch McConnell get the help he needed to make a full recovery.
You’d think at the very least, McConnell would agree to meet his saviors to discuss their concerns with his legislation to kill, disable, or hurt many of his fellow Americans.
Yet McConnell has steadfastly refused to meet with any charitable foundation to discuss this bill, which includes the American Lung Association, the American Heart Association, and the American Diabetes Association.
Not even the March of Dimes was allowed a meeting with him.
And you thought Paul Ryan was an ungrateful bas .
Mitch McConnell grew up to be spiteful, petty, and en led.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre
David Frum
✔@davidfrum
In the movies,
John McCain hauls himself from his sickbed,
delivers the big speech,
then votes No.
This ain’t the movies.
2:01 PM - 25 Jul 2017
Another Obamacare Repeal Bill Just Failed In The Senate
Senate Republicans again failed to approve legislation to repeal major parts of the Affordable Care Act on Wednesday.
This time, it was a bill that would have
eliminated funding for the Affordable Care Act’s private health insurance subsidies and
Medicaid expansion,
its individual mandate that most Americans obtain health coverage or face tax penalties,
its mandate that large companies offer health benefits to full-time employees, and
its taxes on rich people and health care companies.
This legislation didn’t include any means of replacing the Affordable Care Act.
The measure, known as as the Obamacare Repeal Reconciliation Act, failed 45-55,
with seven Republican senators voting against it, along with all Democrats and independents in the upper chamber. GOP Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean er (Nev.), John McCain (Ariz.), S ey Moore Capito (W. Va.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Rob Portman (Ohio) opposed the legislation.
, the most likely scenario, for now, is that McConnell presents the Senate with
a new, so-called “skinny” bill ― written on the fly ― that would merely repeal
the Affordable Care Act’s individual and
employer mandates,
along with its tax on medical device sales.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...20The%20Senate
Bipartisan Group Of Governors Warns Senate Not To Pass ‘Skinny’ Obamacare Repeal Bill
One key Republican senator may be paying close attention.
A bipartisan group of 10 governors wrote a letter Wednesday urging the Senate to reject a proposed “skinny” health care bill that Republican leaders are now trying feverishly to pass.
And if the collective voice of so many governors doesn’t get the attention of GOP leaders, the letter’s endorsement by one particular Republican governor might.
It’s Brian Sandoval, from Nevada.
He has emerged as a key player in the health care debate because GOP leaders in Washington desperately need the vote of Nevada’s Republican senator, Dean er.
er’s opposition alone could very well sink legislation, given that two out of the Senate’s 52 Republicans have already said they would oppose any Obamacare repeal option now under official discussion. And er has said he will listen closely to what Sandoval advises.
“If you want my support … you better make sure that the Republican governors that have expanded Medicaid sign off on it,” er said
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...gEmail__062717
Donald Trump Is Reportedly Seeking Revenge On Alaska Over Health Care Vote
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) voted no on GOP efforts to dismantle the Affordable Care Act this week.
President Donald Trump made clear his dissatisfaction with Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) Wednesday, when he tweeted that she let down her party and the nation by voting against Republicans’ attempts to repeal Obamacare.
But apparently Trump’s public disapproval is not the only way the administration plans to make his anger known.
The Alaska Dispatch News reported Wednesday night that Interior Secretary Ryan Zinkecalled Murkowski and fellow Alaskan Sen. Dan Sullivan (R) after Tuesday’s health care vote to let them know her position had put some of their state-specific projects in jeopardy ― particularly those pertaining to energy.
Sullivan told the outlet that Zinke’s phone call carried a “troubling message,” and
the interior secretary made it clear to him that the call was in response to Murkowski voting no on the motion to proceed on Tuesday.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...gEmail__062717
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog...e-health-care/
ANNA MARIA BARRY-JESTER 12:32 PM
The Senate reportedly hasn’t written the draft legislation for the “skinny bill” we’ve been talking about for the last couple of days, but information is starting to trickle out on what it might include. The bill is widely expected to include a repeal of the individual mandate. According to Axios, it will also defund Planned Parent for a year and expand waivers that states can apply for in order to get around the regulations on the insurance market imposed by Obamacare, though it’s not clear what those waivers would allow.
There are at least two problems in there for the GOP: One, the Senate parliamentarian has said defunding Planned Parenthood doesn’t comply with Senate rules, meaning it would need 60 votes to pass. And two, the parliamentarian has also ruled that the waivers don’t comply with the rules.
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