And Lebron needed Kyrie....but doesnt act like it. Lebron is the only superstar I know that looks horrible in crunch time.
Say what you want about Wiggins, but if Thibodeau is willing to relent, they win. I could see it, too: Wiggins isn't Thibodeau's type and there's a lot of overlap between Butler and him. Could also see Thibodeau, if not having interest, at least being okay with taking Shumpert's contract, in part because they'd need a wing back anyway.
Teague (I realize he can't be traded until December 15th) would have to be in it as well. Rose isn't good enough to start for an elite team and would be a terrible fit alongside James and Wiggins and Teague is too good/expensive to play 15-20 mpg backing up and playing spot minutes alongside Irving.
So Wiggins, Teague for Irving, Shumpert.
It's amazing how ty the packages for established stars have been.
Hes terrible. He stands behind the 3pt line not doing anything and finally chucks it, missing it, you can bet on it, because he has no go to move in the half court set. If he doesnt beat you off the dribble he doesnt have much.
Yeah I think that's been slept on tbh..Like the Boogie, George, Butler return value has been dog ...
You can honestly make the argument Kyrie is the worst out of those players listed yet..some people and maybe the Cavs think they're gonna get a kings ransom lol
I don't think it is arguable. It will be very interesting to see what the Cavs get.
I wonder if PATFO are working on something - just not Kyrie.
Chances are very slim.
They're better all around players, but Irving is by far the biggest star, so he helps the business side too; which is an especially important consideration for markets like Denver, Minnesota, Phoenix, etc.
He also plays for one of the 2 most publicized teams in the league, his return likely plays a part in where arguably the 2nd best player ever goes in '18 and he'll be traded after those teams got ridiculed for the returns of the players you mentioned, so don't discount the amount of public pressure involved here as well.
James>>Dad Killer, TBH.
Landing Kyrie would be the redemption of redemptions for PATFO this off season.
We aren't getting him.
Not sure what your stance on this whole thing is...
But if I'm the Cavs what I want return is flexibility..I do want good players/player who I can plug in and help me contend THIS year and a player or asset who has long term potential. I dunno who falls in that category but I'd like someone who is expiring or has an option.
LMA and Green in some concept for ky?
When is the press conference to introduce Kyrie as a Spur? Tomorrow?
Teague can't be traded until December...
If the situation is irreparable with Irving, then the trade I outlined is the one I'm looking to make and I say that as someone who despises Wiggins' game and sees him as more the next DeRozan than Butler or George. Overall, it checks too many boxes though, both in the present and future, whether James stays or leaves.
It's better than draft picks and flexibility because they'd just be hoping to get a player like Wiggins with a high pick and (if James leaves) sign a player like Teague with flexibility. So take the sure things, have a team that would still likely make the '18 Finals and if James does leave, that's still capable of making the playoffs and hope to retain as much of the fan base as possible.
Hmmm. If I'm Cavs I dunno if I'm committing to Teague..especially if I already have Rose by the balls. The Cavs lose again this season they CANNOT go let's "run it back".
They're in no rush to trade Kyrie. They can wait if nothing better comes along until then.
Rose sucks and is a 1 year stopgap because they could get him for the minimum and James apparently wanted him, so they figured "what the ?". Teague is an average starter, a decent enough shooter to play off of James and obviously has a low enough ego to accept essentially being the fourth option offensively or he probably wouldn't have signed with Timberwolves. Throw in the difference between his and Shumpert's contracts and it would be more like 2+/$35M for him.
There's nothing Cavaliers can do to get to Warriors' level. The best that can be hoped for, is maintaining status quo, while improving their future outlook and this trade would accomplish both.
Rose may suck but he's still a bigger star..I agree there's nothing the Cavs can do to catch the Warriors...but that's exactly why I don't commit 2-3 years to Teague...especially if a LeBron is gone. If I'm rebuilding I don't want to pay a player like Teague 20M...
good scoop crazymad
Rose being a bigger star is irrelevant in this case. They're not some long suffering market that's trying to sell more tickets.
You've got to spend at least 90% of the cap anyway and they'll need a starting PG back, which unless it's on a rookie contract, costs significant money.
I doubt they'd want to re-build; teams usually do that when they have no choice. Like I said, they'd probably want to maintain as much of the momentum with their fan base as possible. Besides, re-building teams are hoping to draft the likes of Love, Wiggins, Teague and Thompson anyway (of course, you'd hope for a better core, but it's unlikely and sure as beats being the next Magic, Kings, etc., who are perpetually in the cellar, with little to show for it).
Apparently Cavs having a worse offseason than the Spurs. Something to celebrate.
Build it they will come! Optimism doesn't hurt......most of the time.
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