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    LMS... I edited my post.
    Cheers.

    Eating mush is better.

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    Spot on. I always convert people to Kurosawa with Yojimbo too. It's so like a western (which of course it later became as A Fist Full of Dollars). Easy for Americans to get into.
    If people have seen the horrible Paul Newman film, The Outrage, Rashômon is great introduction.

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    If people have seen the horrible Paul Newman film, The Outrage, Rashômon is great introduction.
    Never saw Outrage but Ras n is a favorite.

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    Who do you think the Spurs actually offered up for Kyrie?
    I think we all agree on Murray being a given. Green and LMA are the usual suspects.

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    I think we all agree on Murray being a given. Green and LMA are the usual suspects.
    Yep. Some combo of them and/or picks and even Kyle or Bertans as filler.

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    Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

    Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.

    My trade proposal:

    Cav's Get:

    Eric Bledsoe
    Jared Dudley
    Danny Green
    Dejounte Murray

    Spurs Get

    Kyrie Irving
    Tyson Chandler

    Suns Get:

    LaMarcus Aldridge
    2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
    Channing Frye
    Kay Felder


    Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

    Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

    Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

    Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.
    Aldridge more than likely opts out, not so much to secure a raise, but to get similar money for 2-3 years. Players contracts aren't determined by antiquated counting stats, since those are mostly tied to cir stance. He's always been a volume scorer and the only reasons his volume is down, is because his minutes and usage naturally are on a superior team. He's still scoring with similar efficiency though.

    Like sasaint said, Suns aren't facilitating Spurs' acquisition of Irving; not when they're expected to be in the mix themselves. Also, this would further exacerbate their long jam up front, while further diminishing their back court. With Knight expected to miss the season and the free agent market picked clean, they'd be without so much as a stopgap starting PG option.

    Still, Spurs should obviously try. Best they can do . . .

    To Cavaliers: Bledsoe, Dudley, Green, White

    To Suns: Aldridge, Murray, Shumpert, Spurs '18 1st

    To Spurs: Irving, Chandler

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    Chandler could be a underrated signing. Dude avged 8pts/11rebs in 27min. He won't play that much with the Spurs but still. Nice upgrade over Dedmon nowhere near the passer as DLee tho'.

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    Chandler could be a underrated signing. Dude avged 8pts/11rebs in 27min. He won't play that much with the Spurs but still. Nice upgrade over Dedmon nowhere near the passer as DLee tho'.
    Agreed, Manila Ice.

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    lol something like that

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    God Cowherd can be more unbearable than Skip Bayless. The difference is you can see Skip sometimes wants to laugh at his own takes while I think Cowherd takes himself very seriously.

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    That was an answer to this:


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    Spot on. I always convert people to Kurosawa with Yojimbo too. It's so like a western (which of course it later became as A Fist Full of Dollars). Easy for Americans to get into.
    Yes great cinema! I realize having an original idea is getting more foreign by the minute (pun intened), but "if you're going to steal..steal from the best." Stravinsky

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    https://twitter.com/ba_turner/status/891070305887633408

    Clippers did their due diligence and found out what the cavs wanted. We have veteran starters they can have, hahah and a rookie murray also but it’s not enough.

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    https://twitter.com/ba_turner/status/891070305887633408

    Clippers did their due diligence and found out what the cavs wanted. We have veteran starters they can have, hahah and a rookie murray also but it’s not enough.
    The more I think about it LMA is perfect for the Cavs. He is a big man that likes to shoot and LeBron can find him and get him his shot. It worked for the Spurs till Leonard got ZaZaed. They can than see what they can get for Thompson and have a core of James, Aldridge, Love, Rose. Good enough to get to the Finals in the East.

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    Aldridge + Murray + 2018 & 2019 1st-Round Picks. We keep our core together and swap LMA for Kyrie.


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    Aldridge + Murray + 2018 & 2019 1st-Round Picks. We keep our core together and swap LMA for Kyrie.

    IDK if swapping LMA for Kyrie moves the needle against golden state TBH. LMA is a pussy and all but he's still solid on the defensive end. The only way I'd move LMA for Kyrie is if it's for certain that LMA wants out of SA.

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    IDK if swapping LMA for Kyrie moves the needle against golden state TBH. LMA is a pussy and all but he's still solid on the defensive end. The only way I'd move LMA for Kyrie is if it's for certain that LMA wants out of SA.
    I doubt the Spurs would trade two 1st-Round Picks anyways, but if that's what it takes, then I'd make it happen. LMA may very well be gone next summer and I'd hate to lose him for nothing. In a perfect world, the Spurs would acquire Kyrie and retain LMA and that'd be awesome bc I think LMA would be a great 3rd option, but you gotta give to get, and if we want Kyrie, then Aldridge has to go.

    Here's what I do know: LMA chokes on a fat one every time we play GS (minus Game 1 last year). Draymond lives rent-Free in his head. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a bonafide Warriors-killer who gives them more fits than any PG in the league. Warrior fans will be happy if he's gone. If we have a chance to make this deal (or one similar) happen, you have to pull the trigger imo. Kawhi + Kyrie moving forward puts us in contention for the next 5+ years.

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    Aldridge + Murray + 2018 & 2019 1st-Round Picks. We keep our core together and swap LMA for Kyrie.


    If you're Cavs why do you take on LMA if you already have Love and Thompson?

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    IDK if swapping LMA for Kyrie moves the needle against golden state TBH. LMA is a pussy and all but he's still solid on the defensive end. The only way I'd move LMA for Kyrie is if it's for certain that LMA wants out of SA.
    It won't move the needle this year but you would build around 25 year old Kyrie + 26 year old Kawhi with the future in mind.

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    Aldridge + Murray + 2018 & 2019 1st-Round Picks. We keep our core together and swap LMA for Kyrie.

    Normally two first round picks would be kinda steep but since the Spurs only draft useless bench fodders with little to no upside or are on the five year plan, they can afford to give them up. Some other team can certainly make better use of them than the Spurs.

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    Normally two first round picks would be kinda steep but since the Spurs only draft useless bench fodders with little to no upside or are on the five year plan, they can afford to give them up. Some other team can certainly make better use of them than the Spurs.
    Normally I'd agree too. But this is Kyrie Irving we're talking about, and our next 2 draft picks are likely going to be future bench role players at best and potentially Euro-stashes that we never even see play in a Spurs uniform. If that's what it takes to make this trade happen, you pull the trigger.

    Besides, Spurs are the best team at turning other team's trash into our treasure. I'm confident we could find Free Agents and castaways from other teams and the G-League that will contribute off the bench for us to help alleviate any lost draft picks if it were to happen.

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    I doubt the Spurs would trade two 1st-Round Picks anyways, but if that's what it takes, then I'd make it happen. LMA may very well be gone next summer and I'd hate to lose him for nothing. In a perfect world, the Spurs would acquire Kyrie and retain LMA and that'd be awesome bc I think LMA would be a great 3rd option, but you gotta give to get, and if we want Kyrie, then Aldridge has to go.

    Here's what I do know: LMA chokes on a fat one every time we play GS (minus Game 1 last year). Draymond lives rent-Free in his head. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a bonafide Warriors-killer who gives them more fits than any PG in the league. Warrior fans will be happy if he's gone. If we have a chance to make this deal (or one similar) happen, you have to pull the trigger imo. Kawhi + Kyrie moving forward puts us in contention for the next 5+ years.
    Game 1 of the reg season and game 1 of the playoffs he was great . He had what like 18/5 at half time? Once Kawhi went out, he just wasn't the same.

    It's a shame, but he's shown he's capable at least.

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    What about Danny, Murray, Kyle + 1st.
    Would that be enough?
    Veteran starter + 3 first round picks

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