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    At this point the Republican's will try to throw anything together just to get votes, no matter how bad. I can see a bill that has directly opposing language of funding and defunding just to get something passed. The only goal now is pass anything.
    Think so.

    They might even (gasp) look to compromise with Democrats and actually do their jobs.

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    Think so.

    They might even (gasp) look to compromise with Democrats and actually do their jobs.
    Doubt it, in the off chance it happened that would get vetoed.

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    giving everything back to the state not federal is the way to go on medicade
    graham bill suggestion is ok but have to know wording and other things about it
    complain go to the governor

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    Think so.

    They might even (gasp) look to compromise with Democrats and actually do their jobs.
    the democrats did not with the current health bill

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    Compromise with Dems admits the Dems exist, are legit opposition, so Repugs compromising is party treason

    There is no way the Repugs pass a bill that removes healthcare from 10Ms. Even Repug voters support improving ACA rather than repeal. Trash's 30% base has been LIED into a blind canyon, they all will lose this war together.

    Trash is a sicko LOSER in need of psychiatric medical care
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    Compromise with Dems admits the Dems exist, are legit opposition, so Repugs compromising is party treason

    There is no way the Repugs pass a bill that removes healthcare from 10Ms. Even Repug voters support improving ACA rather than repeal. Trash's 30% base has been LIED into a blind canyon, they all will lost this war together.

    Trash is a sicko LOSER in need of psychiatric medical care
    boutons_deuz in need of psychiatric medical care!!!!!

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    Putting band aids on this will do nothing but exacerbate the crisis. It is an untenable law.

    Forget the recess, bring both chambers to bear and remain there until there is a law that is sustainable for all. & it will be extremely easy to recognize such a vehicle.

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    the democrats did not with the current health bill
    So what?

    Most of the US was opposed to it. Should they have acted against the will of the people that elected them?

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    Republican Lawmakers Warn Trump Not To Sabotage Obamacare

    President Donald Trump has threatened to take things into his own hands.


    “I hope the president will use his authority to extend those payments,” Sen. John Thune (R-TN), a member of the GOP leadership team, told reporters Monday night.

    If Trump pulls the trigger and stops the payments, he added, Congress will “look at what our options are” to keep them coming.

    Over in the House, moderates like Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) and conservatives like Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) have raised a similar alarm.

    A growing, bipartisan group of House members
    released a proposal on Monday to

    stabilize the individual market by having Congress appropriate the CSR money, guaranteeing stability by taking the decision out of Trump’s hands altogether.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-sabotage-trump-csrs?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_cam paign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

    TRASH = LOSER!

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    Graham says GOP Senators are still taking orders from Trump on Obamacare repeal

    “We are going to listen to President Trump.”

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has said it’s “time to move on,” but at least one Republican senator has other ideas.

    “We’re not moving on. We’re going to listen to President Trump.

    We’re going to get ‘er done,”

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said on Fox & Friends Tuesday morning.

    Graham, along with Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA), has proposed a plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act?—?which Graham says is the “best idea”?—?that would ultimately put health care in the hands of governors.

    “How about this idea: Instead of trying to re-do Obamacare in Washington, why don’t you turn to the governors,” Graham said Tuesday.

    “Take all the money you would spend in Washington on health care, block grant it back to the states and let them design health care systems closer to your family.”

    ( TGB: those "block grants with no strings attached" would be red/slave state political slush funds)

    “President Trump should take our subsidies away from us as members of Congress if we don’t deliver [on health care],” Graham said.

    But Graham doesn’t get that subsidy, as he admitted Tuesday morning. Quite the masochist!

    “After 33 years in the military, I have health care through the military, but I will be punished,” he said. “Punish me in any way you think’s appropriate if I can’t fix your health care. You sent us up here, the American people, to repeal and replace Obamacare.”

    Graham also said Tuesday morning that repealing Obamacare is “the end of single-payer health care,” despite the fact that Obamacare is not a single-payer system.

    https://thinkprogress.org/graham-say...l-b4e8e180a5a7

    The Old Lesbian From South Carolina is a fool.

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    Male Republicans jeered their female counterparts who saved millions from health care calamity

    the Washington Post:

    In the past week, Sen. Susan Collins (Maine) has been challenged by a male lawmaker to a duel.

    She and Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) were told that they and others deserve a physical reprimand for their decisions not to support Republican health-care proposals.

    Murkowski, who voted with Collins against starting the health-care debate this week, was specifically called out by President Trump on Twitter and told by a Cabinet official that Alaska could suffer for her choice, according to a colleague.

    The language of retribution increasingly adopted by Republican men reflects Trump’s influence

    and underscores the challenges GOP women can face when opposing the consensus of their party, which remains dominated by men, outside experts said.

    A videotape of Trump surfaced during the campaign revealing him bragging in vulgar terms about groping women, and some believed that opened the gates for further insults and degrading behavior toward women.

    Let's not fool ourselves:

    the GOP's War on Women didn't start with Trump.

    The party's posture on everything from health care and contraception to child care and equal pay for equal work has been abhorrent for decades.


    What the health care process revealed is just how entrenched and pervasive the GOP's misogyny really is


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre

    Did any Repug announce a duel with white male McCain,

    threaten to punish McCain's AZ, or

    threaten to beat McCain physically?


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    Single payer resolves a lot of issues, and would be vastly more efficient than our current system.
    Sounds like a great plan, so detailed.

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    Sounds like a great plan, so detailed.
    Such a great criticism, so detailed.

    Don't strain yourself.

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    Such a great criticism, so detailed.

    Don't strain yourself.
    You want a detailed criticism of a non existent plan?

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    You want a detailed criticism of a non existent plan?
    I'm sorry, I missed the post where you requested a detailed plan. Care to point me to it?

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    I'm sorry, I missed the post where you requested a detailed plan. Care to point me to it?
    I'd settle for a plan.

    Why is it you always run to the single payer mantra when it isn't on the the table. There is no single payer plan, Democrats aren't giving you a single payer system.

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    Senators Launch Bipartisan Effort to Shore Up Obamacare

    Republicans on both sides of the Capitol scrambled Tuesday to defuse President Trump’s threat to cut off critical health insurance payments, moving around the president toward bipartisan legislation to shore up the Affordable Care Act.

    will begin work in early September on legislation to “stabilize and strengthen the individual health insurance market” for 2018.

    He publicly urged President Trump to continue paying subsidies to health insurance companies to offset poor customers’ out-of-pocket medical expenses as work proceeds.

    followed just minutes later by a pledge from a bipartisan group of House members to cooperate on health care legislation of their own.

    Mr. Alexander said it was important for Mr. Trump to approve the payments for August and September, and that Congress should “in a bipartisan way” approve a further continuation of the payments through 2018.

    “Without payment of these cost-sharing reductions,” he said, “Americans will be hurt.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/u...er=rss&emc=rss


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    Dear Mr. President:
    During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive
    Shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive
    Brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ringtone. While glancing over her
    Patient chart, I happened to notice that her payer status was listed as "Medicaid"! During my examination of her, the patient informed
    Me that she smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.
    And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman's health care? I contend that our nation's "health care crisis" is not the
    Result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a "crisis of culture", a culture in which it is perfectly
    Acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance.
    It is a culture based on the irresponsible credo that "I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me".
    Once you fix this "culture crisis" that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you'll be amazed at how quickly our nation's health care
    Difficulties will disappear.

    Respectfully,
    STARNER JONES, MD

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    lol "fix" culture.

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    lol "fix" culture.
    More like put work requirements on it and see how many able bodied people sign up then (when they're not getting it for free).

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    More like put work requirements on it and see how many able bodied people sign up then (when they're not getting it for free).
    So just let them die if they don't or can't?

    Nice.

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    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) reportedly told President Trump that administrative action could be taken to allow organizations like trade groups to “band together” to buy insurance, The Hill reports.

    “Well I just got off the phone with the president, and I think he and I both want to get something done,” Paul said on Monday. “What I’m talking to him about is that I think through executive action, I think he can legalize the health associations that I’ve been talking about.”

    “I am calling publicly for what I’ve been working on privately for months: the Department of Labor should revise its rules to allow virtually any group to become a group for insurance purposes,” Paul said in an op-ed for The Hill.“From the Chamber of Commerce to the credit unions, from the NRA to the ACLU, from the Realtors to the Restaurant association, there are many groups who could almost immediately begin to offer insurance to their members,” Paul wrote. “Can you imagine if hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS, of Americans would leave the group or small business market and join together in a large, powerful organization?”

    “The problems of the individual market would be over. Job-killing mandates and burdensome regulations on insurance would be unnecessary, because the consumer would have power over the big insurance companies.”

    The conservative senator, who has been consistently opposed to Obamacare and Republican alternative plans he considers “Obamacare-lite,” would prefer groups like AARP could come together with the Chamber of Commerce to buy health insurance and negotiate for lower costs.

    “Can you imagine the leverage you would get for drug prices and insurance prices if you were negotiating for 5 million people?” Paul of his proposal. “If you could legalize that, not only could it fix some of the problems that we are encountering in the individual market, there’s 28 million people without insurance because it’s too expensive,” he continued. “What if we forced the price down enough?”

    Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price has said that HHS is open to seeking administrative action to make the changes needed in order to allow such compe ion.

    Paul has consistently argued that the free market is best suited to lower healthcare costs, noting that Obamacare has done the opposite.

    “The fundamental problem with Obamacare is this, you add regulations or mandates to insurance […] they cost money,” Paul said last month. “When you add these insurance mandates as Obamacare did, it chases the young health people out of the market.”

    “Prices always go up under a monopoly,” he stated. “As a physician, I can tell you this: insurance was bad before ObamaCare. Why? Because the power was too often on the side of Big Insurance.”

    “I want to turn that on its head as we debate repeal. We can include something like this association plan in what moves through Congress – and we should.”

    Paul, whose tense relationship with the Trump dates back to the primaries, says that the president agrees with him.

    “I know for a fact President Trump agrees with this – he has told me so often and has directed his Department of Labor to work with me to get this done. But the time is now to act,” he declared.

    http://rare.us/rare-politics/issues/...help-millions/

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    I can already imagine a group of about 55 million.

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    So just let them die if they don't or can't?

    Nice.
    Can't - I'm talking about able-bodied individuals - not the disabled or children. Why can't they work? If they DON'T - don't you mean WON'T - why, because we just hand it to them free? Doesn't this sound like we need illegals to do the work that Americans WON'T do - why won't they do it? Because we give them welfare and they don't need to.

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    Can't - I'm talking about able-bodied individuals - not the disabled or children. Why can't they work? If they DON'T - don't you mean WON'T - why, because we just hand it to them free? Doesn't this sound like we need illegals to do the work that Americans WON'T do - why won't they do it? Because we give them welfare and they don't need to.
    Most of the time the people hiring don't want to pay a rate market forces would dictate.

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