I'm surprised it took him this long, tbhWhy is Fat Hands suddenly mid's right hand man when it comes to defending fatball?
Oh right it's cause he's fat.
Come one son don't ruin this, it's cute watching him thinking he's actually proving something with all those "studies" and graphs tbhScience and facts don't matter only what's popular and if you burn a few calories
To put the final stake in the heart of this debate, time to take away the Fatball joke from the DoubleHandJobBall crew.
Top 100 players in the league:
http://www.espn.com/mlb/war/leaders/...onal/year/2017
Not seeing any fat guys on the list.
In fact, this what the better players in baseball look like.
I ask again, which sport is fatball? FkLA. Anyone?
Last edited by midnightpulp; 08-02-2017 at 08:42 PM.
Me?
Which sport ranked higher in a study done by a PHD in bio-mechanics and the lead sports scientist at the USOC? Baseball (combined with a women's sport) or soccer?
No. You're the one who extols ONE, and only ONE athletic trait (s-s-stamina) over everything else because it helps make your case for soccer.
And no, stamina isn't the only athletic trait that crosses over to all others. That's so easily disproven, I'm surprised you even went with that argument.
I don't know which athletic trait is more important but what I do know is that soccer allows for a wider range of athletic traits to be at display for all of its participants: elite foot-eye coordination to dribble with a ball on your feet at high speeds and among obstacles, endurance to play 90 minutes non-stop, jumping ability to fight for aerial balls, quickness to move in tight spaces, sprinting to beat a rival on a run, strength to fight for positioning and give and take hits. All of these traits are in constant play many times throughout a soccer match.
In baseball you just don't have that. The onoy athletic trait that is in constant play on a baseball game is the hand-eye coordination to bat and throw. Nothing else. Then you have sprinting for certain players to steal bases, beat an infield hit, or, sometimes, run the bases. Jumping ability for outfielders that need to go for a ball that is close to the fences (once like every 5 games, or maybe more). And quickness in infielders to make a tough play on the infield (again, once every full moon).
The matter of whether baseball players are more athletic than soccer players is irrelevant, since baseball is such a ty game that it won't allow them to display those athletic traits in any meaningful way.
Last edited by DAF86; 08-02-2017 at 09:19 PM.
Yeah, sprinting 23mph to rob a sure double isn't displaying an athletic trait in a "meaningful" way. The upper, lower, and core body strength required to throw a pitch with pin-point accuracy at 95-100mph isn't displaying full body athleticism in a "meaningful" way.
You're making your case on "aesthetic" grounds, not scientific ones (i.e. actually exploring the biomechanics involved). Pitching (which is an event that happens about 300 times a game) challenges the same core muscle groups to the same extent as running, cutting, and jumping.
https://www.drivelinebaseball.com/20...-and-velocity/
And I've stated before, that the joint in a pitcher's arm moves the fastest out of all athletes in ANY sport. And on the batting side, you're using those same core muscles similarly. You just don't see a "bunch of jogging around," so you mistakenly think it's a low effort activity. You can be bored with it to your heart's content, it still doesn't change the biomechanic demands. And for people who actually understand baseball, a pitcher/batter duel is just as athletically dynamic as a crossover dribble resulting in a dunk.
And you think biomechanics aren't involved in all the different athletics demands of a soccer player?
Everything you bring up about baseball can be brought up about soccer too, the same can't be said the other way around.
Furthermore, if you tried to change baseball so you'd see more "running around," you'd basically turn it into another ty goal sport, which is the most unimaginative sports design there is. We already have too many of them as it is.
That's because those are the best, tbh.
Exactly. That's been my whole argument against fatball too. The game itself is dull af. It's like having a car that looks great, is fast, handles nice but all you use it for is to go from one stop light to another 1/3rd of the year.
If you allowed PEDs in Rugby like American sports you probably would have guys benching 600lbs instead of 500 & running the 100 in 10 flat instead of 10.4
Of course they are. I'm saying that driving your legs, rotating your core, and using those muscles in concert to deliver a 100 mph pitch is just as "demanding" as nutmegging a player a kicking the ball. I agree that one is more visually dynamic, but the same amount of athleticism is involved.And you think biomechanics aren't involved in all the different athletics demands of a soccer player?
Everything you name about baseball can be duplicated on soccer, the same can't be said the other way around.
No. Everything I say about baseball can't be duplicated in soccer. The kinetic chain required to swing a bat requires more "links" in the process than kicking a ball, i.e. you use more muscles and joints in the former than the latter.
1200 pounds vs.In “Biomechanical Characteristics and Determinants of Instep Soccer Kick,” Eleftherios Kellis of the sports sciences department at Aristotle University in Greece compiled ball speeds from kicks reported in 27 research studies. Ball speeds ranged from a low of 14.9 meters per second in youths aged 10 to 17 to 30 meters per second for professional soccer players, with many adult amateurs able to send the ball at 25 meters per second. The pounds of force can be calculated knowing that the ball weight is constant for all the studies, with the added assumption that the shoe contact time is also fairly constant at about 0.05 seconds. Thus while professional players send the ball at 30 meters per second and 1,200 pounds of force, an average adult player sends the ball at around 25 meters per second based on a kick of 1,000 pounds of force, while average youth players may only muster a ball speed of 14.9 meters per second, indicating just 600 pounds of force.
8.3 in' thousand
This should illustrate how much more biokinetics are involved in hitting vs. kicking.
The only athletic trait not involved in baseball that exists in soccer is stamina. That's it. But baseball's challenges upper body strength a of whole lot more. And no, they aren't generating 8K pounds of force rubbing up on each other in the box.
What percentage of a fatball game is dead play in between pitches? What percentage of the time (aside from pitches) is the fatball actually in play? What percentage of the time is the average fatball player actually fielding, or hitting, or running the bases?These great athletes are just wasting away their athleticism playing such a dull game, tbh.To put the final stake in the heart of this debate, time to take away the Fatball joke from the DoubleHandJobBall crew.
Top 100 players in the league:
http://www.espn.com/mlb/war/leaders/...onal/year/2017
Not seeing any fat guys on the list.
In fact, this what the better players in baseball look like.
I ask again, which sport is fatball? FkLA. Anyone?
How much time is the average povertyball player actually making contact with the ball or defending someone who's dribbling?
You see that athleticism being used every pitch, of which there are 300 total in a game. You get to see 60ish total at bats (how many shots on goal do they average in soccer? Like 8 total).
You're just programmed to only think of running and jumping as "exciting" and "athletic."
Pitching is way more impressive to watch than a dunk.
No amount of name calling (fatball, dumb Americans, obeseball, etc...) will overcome the fact that there is a picture here on ST of a guy giving two of his teammates a handjob.
Keep trying though I guess......
A of a lot more often than the average fatball player does the things I mentioned. All while running a couple of miles over 90 minutes too. DMCball players OTOH are standing around scratching their jockstraps or sitting in the dugout chewing sunflower seeds when they aren't hitting, fielding, or running bases. Or in other words the majority of the time.
Which game is fatball?
I would assume it's a sport where all the best players are fat?
There's alot of metrosexuals and probably gays in soccer. So what? Not sure how that changes the fact that fatball is a dull sport where the participants (aside from the pitcher) are stationary or flat out sitting on their ass as the large majority of the time.
Plus it's not like there aren't a bunch of closeted players in pretty much every sport.
Why does every sport have to conform to the goal sport design (which are the only sports where constant running and jumping are possible)? Baseball (and its cousin cricket) are nice alternatives to goal sport number 57573 where the action is pretty redundant from one to the other. "Ooooh. Guys running around on a rectangle trying to throw or kick a ball into a net or move a ball across a line!"A of a lot more often than the average fatball player does the things I mentioned. All while running a couple of miles over 90 minutes too. DMCball players OTOH are standing around scratching their jockstraps or sitting in the dugout chewing sunflower seeds when they aren't hitting, fielding, or running bases. Or in other words the majority of the time.
And I know you like baseball when you're invested, and I think you'd agree that to compromise the batter vs. pitcher dynamic so the ball could be put in play more would be re ed and actually make the game boring, like if they had batters hit off a tee or pitchers throw underhanded. Then hitting the ball would no longer be the achievement it is.
Usain Bolt stands around for hours at a track meet, never has run a mile, and only gets to use his athleticism for 9.7 seconds every match. How much of a waste is that?
Baseball players sprint a of a lot more per game than Bolt.
"But it's different!"
Sure it is
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Don't call it a sport then. Call it a game and group it with other games like billiards, golf, bowling, darts, etc. Call the players something other than athletes too.
It's a slap in the face to actual sports and athletes, tbh.
Pitching takes more physical exertion than kicking. So does hitting, as PROVEN by the pounds of force generated (8K to a pathetic 1200lb for your soccer twinks). Baseball players exert themselves more on the basepads than your soccer twinks (proven by faster sprint speeds).
No, it's slap in the face to call this one of the world's greatest athletes
And put him on the same tier as an actual athlete like here:
And Stanton is even faster than that little twink.
Can you imagine Bartolo Colon lining up next to Bolt in a 100m or 200m race though? The in-shape fatball players you post are often times standing shoulder to shoulder with some doughy mother er. Speaks volumes about the actual game.Usain Bolt stands around for hours at a track meet, never has run a mile, and only gets to use his athleticism for 9.7 seconds every match. How much of a waste is that?
Baseball players sprint a of a lot more per game than Bolt.
"But it's different!"
Sure it is
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