Well, a Republican murdered that lady over the weekend and Republicans are making all kinds of excuses for him. I'm going to pick on them for a bit.
I think things like that are worth looking at on a case by case basis. Stone Mountain has a terrible history but it may be worth preserving for its historical value. I could be persuaded either way.
A statue of Robert E. Lee built in a public park somewhere in Louisiana or Virginia doesn't really have the same historical or cultural relevance.
Maybe just plaster over it? That would look nice.
Or, maybe just paint a big red X over it.
What I find so interesting is that people living NOW can so easily divorce themselves from the thinking about people raised in a certain culture in the past. We are products of our culture. It's pure silliness to think the North as simply the good guys and the South as slave owners. The North did not rely on agriculture so slavery was easily labeled abhorrent. In fact in NY state there were riots over this issue. A significant portion of the State sympathized with the South. As far as treason by the South... this country was not even 100 years old, this had been festering ever since the late 1700's. In European terms it was about time for a civil war. France and England had theirs.
Further, do people on this board living in Nazi Germany as a child and taught they were under siege from WWI "atrocities" really think there is no way they would NOT have been a Nazi? If you grew up thinking that slaves were animals on a farm you could automatically divorce yourself from this way of thinking because you look back now?
Laughable...
As far as the statues. Put up an appropriate slave statue next to the offending statue. These statues are not symbols, they are remnants of our past. These things happened, as disgusting as they are now. They tell a story of our checkered past and in Lee's case, some very interesting historical debate that should not be brushed under the rug. If we got white supremacists in today's world knowing the past let them be seen. If we are really this fragile because we elected a zany leader....? Let them crawl out and be seen. Take their pictures. Let them explain themselves (to family and coworkers)
I tend to lean on the side of preserving history, even the ugly parts.
I agree with not flying the confederate flag, tho.
Nope. Maybe you could try not being a disingenuous little girl just once.
The Lee statue that caused the flare-up in Charlottesville was built in 1924, almost 60 years after the Civil War ended. That would be like Germany erecting a statue of a Nazi general in 2004. There's a difference between preserving history and preserving honor.
How should Stone Mountain be altered?
His choice wasn't based on who was stronger. His choice was based on loyalty and values. It's very respectable; that and that he maybe kicked more ass than maybe any American general in history, I can see why people are pissed that a bunch of panty boys are trying to take down his statue.
His loyalty to the state he happened to live in was stronger than his opposition to slavery. How respectable.
Aha!
Why was the statue built? I don't know the cir stances.
To be a source of contentiousness or ...
As far as time frames, that's difficult.
IMO There is absolutely NO way a statue of Hitler is going up in 2004 in Germany given Germany's mindset in 2004. That's going down as soon as it gets put up. Even in the middle of a neoNazi enclave. Germany does not mess around with overt Nazi stuff. Denying the holocaust can land you in jail. Free speech, no, not in many parts of Europe dealing with Nazi Germany. Shouting racial slurs at sporting events can get you fined and in jail. England and Germany. But not in Romania.
Plenty of room up there. No reason to not add to the sculpture.
Exactly. Germany would never have erected a statue of a Nazi in 2004 because almost the entire population of Germany is rightfully ashamed of that chapter in its history.
The mindset in the South was much different in the early 20th Century when many of these monuments were being built. That's what those monuments represent: the stubborn refusal of the South to accept people of color as equal citizens.
He was a traitor.
To the people who want it altered, it would probably be more psychologically satisfying if they went full Taliban on it.
You would prefer that too since you could be forever snarky about it.
Are you ing re ed, or do you just play one on the internet. R. Lee freed his father's slaves when he came of age. He once wrote a letter in regards to the ins ution of slavery, saying, "slavery as an ins ution, is a moral and political evil in any country."
No, he was a secessionist. And the Cons ution never prohibited that.
What was the legal basis the Confederacy could have used, instead of attacking the North and starting the war?
And why didn't the rebels use the law?
All secessionists were traitors.
Wow. Defending slavery, an ins ution that promoted rape, murder, and torture on a massive, industrial scale. "it wasn't that bad"
A new low.
No wonder you support Trump.
Children aren't thrown overboard, and claimed on insurance.The Zong massacre was the mass killing of 133 African slaves by the crew of the British slave ship Zong in the days following 29 November 1781.[note 1] The Gregson slave-trading syndicate, based in Liverpool, owned the ship and sailed her in the Atlantic slave trade. As was common business practice, they had taken out insurance on the lives of the slaves as cargo. When the ship ran low on potable water following navigational mistakes, the crew threw slaves overboard into the sea to drown, partly in order to ensure the survival of the rest of the ship's passengers, and in part to cash in on the insurance on the slaves, thus not losing money on the slaves who would have died from the lack of drinking water.
After the slave ship reached port at Black River, Jamaica, Zong's owners made a claim to their insurers for the loss of the slaves. When the insurers refused to pay, the resulting court cases (Gregson v Gilbert (1783) 3 Doug. KB 232) held that in some cir stances, the deliberate killing of slaves was legal and that insurers could be required to pay for the slaves' deaths. The judge, Lord Chief Justice, the Earl of Mansfield, ruled against the syndicate owners in this case, due to new evidence being introduced suggesting the captain and crew were at fault.
Children don't fall to their deaths from roofs trying to escape being whipped for hitting a snag in a womans hair.subsequent to the visit of the local lawyer, one of LaLaurie's neighbors saw one of the LaLaurie's slaves, a twelve-year-old girl named Lia (or Leah), fall to her death from the roof of the Royal Street mansion while trying to avoid punishment from a whip-wielding Delphine LaLaurie. Lia had been brushing Delphine's hair when she hit a snag, causing Delphine to grab a whip and chase her. The body was subsequently buried on the mansion grounds. According to Martineau, this incident led to an investigation of the LaLauries, in which they were found guilty of illegal cruelty and forced to forfeit nine slaves. These nine slaves were then bought back by the LaLauries through the intermediary of one of their relatives, and returned to the Royal Street residences.[14] Similarly, Martineau reported stories that LaLaurie kept her cook chained to the kitchen stove, and beat her daughters when they attempted to feed the slaves.[15]
On April 10, 1834, a fire broke out in the LaLaurie residence on Royal Street, starting in the kitchen. When the police and fire marshals got there, they found a seventy-year-old woman, the cook, chained to the stove by her ankle. She later confessed to them that she had set the fire as a suicide attempt for fear of her punishment, being taken to the uppermost room, because she said that anyone who was taken there never came back.
Oh, wait, this child did.
I guess you don't mind. "it wasn't that bad".
That's not how Lincoln saw it when he reinstated their rights of citizenship. Any other dumb you got to say? You're on a roll; in' it up on multiple threads.
Children aren't forcibly separated from their families upon sale.
Oh wait, these children were.
I guess that's ok. "It wasn't that bad".
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