Robert E Lee ex

[pgardn]

Exactly. Germany would never have erected a statue of a Nazi in 2004 because almost the entire population of Germany is rightfully ashamed of that chapter in its history.

The mindset in the South was much different in the early 20th Century when many of these monuments were being built. That's what those monuments represent: the stubborn refusal of the South to accept people of color as equal citizens.

So it was erected because the South refused to accept people of color.
Are there any older statues of Lee that have been left alone? What date were they built if so? And why were they built. Seems like you would really want a statue of Jefferson Davis, not Lee to cause real problems or to let your feelings be known. Lee could have ended up a Union general. Lee is not a good swastika or Hilter.

[RandomGuy]

most slaves were treated better then most kids in America
most treated them better then their kids
there were some bad slave owners though

Her time with Captain Ingham and his wife, her new owners, introduced her to deprivation and hardship. She was witness to the torture of children and the murder of another servant called Hetty, and had first-hand experience of the types of instruments used for flogging: 'To strip me naked – to hang me up by the wrists and lay my flesh open with the cow skin, was an ordinary punishment for even a slight offence.'

On one occasion she was tied to a ladder and given 100 lashes for accidentally breaking an already cracked vase. On another, she was struck in the back for allowing a cow to wander off – a blow that resulted in a lifelong injury.

Most children weren't tortured and murdered.

Oh wait, these children were. I guess that's ok. "it wasn't that bad".

[Pavlov]

That's not how Lincoln saw it when he reinstated their rights of citizenship. Any other dumb you got to say? You're on a roll; in' it up on multiple threads.

I already said Lee was lucky Lincoln was the most magnanimous President ever. There mere fact they had to be pardoned and amnestied proves they were traitors. Lee had to beg for it.

[RandomGuy]

most slaves were treated better then most kids in America
most treated them better then their kids
there were some bad slave owners though

which were exercised on my unhappy fellow slaves ... in Montserrat I have seen a Negro man staked to the ground, and cut most shockingly, and then his ears cut off bit by bit ... another Negro man was half hanged and then burnt for attempting to poison a cruel overseer.

Most children aren't staked to the ground in order to cut off pieces of their ears.

[RandomGuy]

most slaves were treated better then most kids in America
most treated them better then their kids
there were some bad slave owners though

The pain in my head had subsided in a measure, but I was very faint and weak. I was sitting upon a low bench, made of rough boards, and without coat or hat. I was hand cuffed. Around my ankles also were a pair of heavy fetters. One end of a chain was fastened to a large ring in the floor, the other to the fetters on my ankles. I tried in vain to stand upon my feet. Waking from such a painful trance, it was some time before I could collect my thoughts. Where was I? What was the meaning of these chains? Where were Brown and Hamilton? What had I done to deserve imprisonment in such a dungeon? I could not comprehend.

Most children weren't drugged and chained to the floor.

[Spurtacular]

I already said Lee was lucky Lincoln was the most magnanimous President ever. There mere fact they had to be pardoned and amnestied proves they were traitors. Lee had to beg for it.

The pardons prove that Lincoln's bull couldn't hold up under its own weight. If Lincoln had done anything to Lee, he would have went Obi Wan Kenobi on his ass.

[pgardn]

Exactly. Germany would never have erected a statue of a Nazi in 2004 because almost the entire population of Germany is rightfully ashamed of that chapter in its history.

The mindset in the South was much different in the early 20th Century when many of these monuments were being built. That's what those monuments represent: the stubborn refusal of the South to accept people of color as equal citizens.

Germany does not have a 1st amendment. They still have neonazis. I personally like the rats to come out of hiding. If 1/3 of the country still longs for slavery, I want to know this. If 1/3 of the country does not think people of color deserve rights, I need to know this. Trump has been an enlightener is this regard. He has allowed the anger to come forth.

Now we question why so angry. It's healthy IMO.

[RandomGuy]

most slaves were treated better then most kids in America
most treated them better then their kids
there were some bad slave owners though

During this time Radburn was standing silently by. His business was, to oversee this human, or rather inhuman stable, receiving slaves, feeding, and whipping them, at the rate of two shillings a head per day. Turning to him, Burch ordered the paddle and cat-o'-ninetails to be brought in. He disappeared, and in a few moments returned with these instruments of torture. The paddle, as it is termed in slave-beating parlance, or at least the one with which I first became acquainted, and of which I now speak, was a piece of hard-wood board, eighteen or twenty inches long, moulded to the shape of an old-fashioned pudding stick, or ordinary oar The flattened portion, which was about the size in cir ference of two open hands, was bored with a small auger in numerous places. The cat was a large rope of many strands— the strands unraveled, and a knot tied at the extremity of each.

As soon as these formidable whips appeared, I was seized by both of them, and roughly divested of my clothing. My feet, as has been stated, were fastened to the floor. Drawing me over the bench, face downwards, Radburn placed his heavy foot upon the fetters, between my wrists, holding them painfully to the floor. With the paddle, Burch commenced beating me. Blow after blow was inflicted upon my naked body. When his unrelenting arm grew tired, he stopped and asked if I still insisted I was a free man. I did insist upon it, and then the blows were renewed, faster and more energetically, if possible, than before. When again tired, he would repeat the same question, and receiving the same answer, continue his cruel labor. All this time, the incarnate devil was uttering most fiendish oaths. At length the paddle broke, leaving the useless handle in his hand. Still I would not yield. All his brutal blows could not force from my lips the foul lie that I was a slave. Casting madly on the floor the handle of the broken paddle, he seized the rope. This was far more painful than the other. I struggled with all my power, but it was in vain. I prayed for mercy, but my prayer was only answered with imprecations and with stripes. I thought I must die beneath the lashes of the accursed brute. Even now the flesh crawls upon my bones, as I recall the scene. I was all on fire. My sufferings I can compare to nothing else than the burning agonies of !

Most children weren't kidnapped.

Most children didn't have paddles broken over their backs when they insisted to be let go.

Most children weren't whipped with ropes when they insisted to be let go.

[RandomGuy]

At last I became silent to his repeated questions. I would make no reply. In fact, I was becoming almost unable to speak. Still he plied the lash without stint upon my poor body, until it seemed that the lacerated flesh was stripped from my bones at every stroke. A man with a particle of mercy in his soul would not have beaten even a dog so cruelly.

[SpursforSix]

Germany does not have a 1st amendment. They still have neonazis. I personally like the rats to come out of hiding. If 1/3 of the country still longs for slavery, I want to know this. If 1/3 of the country does not think people of color deserve rights, I need to know this. Trump has been an enlightener is this regard. He has allowed the anger to come forth.

Now we question why so angry. It's healthy IMO.

No one thinks this. Problem is that now everyone believes every account that they can find on the web.
I'd only point to Bernstain Bears to show that not everything you read can be believed and that history can be changed.

[tlongII]

Wow. Defending slavery, an ins ution that promoted rape, murder, and torture on a massive, industrial scale. "it wasn't that bad"

A new low.

No wonder you support Trump.

A non sequitur, in formal logic, is an invalid argument. In a non sequitur, the conclusion could be either true or false, but the argument nonetheless asserts the conclusion to be true and is thus fallacious.

[Pavlov]

The pardons prove that Lincoln's bull couldn't hold up under its own weight. If Lincoln had done anything to Lee, he would have went Obi Wan Kenobi on his ass.

Lincoln neither pardoned nor amnestied Lee.

Kenobi

Are you 12?

[RandomGuy]

most slaves were treated better then most kids in America
most treated them better then their kids
there were some bad slave owners though

The day she was led into the pen, Brooks had brought her from the estate into the city, under pretence that the time had come when her free papers were to be executed, in fulfillment of her master's promise. Elated at the prospect of immediate liberty, she decked herself and little Emmy in their best apparel, and accompanied him with a joyful heart. On their arrival in the city, instead of being baptized into the family of freemen, she was delivered to the trader Burch. The paper that was executed was a bill of sale. The hope of years was blasted in a moment. From the hight of most exulting happiness to the utmost depths of wretchedness, she had that day descended. No wonder that she wept, and filled the pen with wailings and expressions of heart-rending woe.

Most children weren't promised to be freed, then sold, knowing their own children would be subject to the same cruelties.

[RandomGuy]

A non sequitur, in formal logic, is an invalid argument. In a non sequitur, the conclusion could be either true or false, but the argument nonetheless asserts the conclusion to be true and is thus fallacious.

(facepalm)

You really suck at this. It is encouraging to see you try though.

Do you think slavery was a bad thing?

[RandomGuy]

most slaves were treated better then most kids in America
most treated them better then their kids
there were some bad slave owners though

I doubt not he understood then better than I did, the danger and the penalty of selling a free man into slavery. He felt the necessity of closing my mouth against the crime he knew he was committing. Of course, my life would not have weighed a feather, in any emergency requiring such a sacrifice. Undoubtedly, he meant precisely what he said.

Most children couldn't have been murdered with impunity to keep them quiet.

[AaronY]

muh statues

they were all that I had left

[Pavlov]

The pardons prove that Lincoln's bull couldn't hold up under its own weight. If Lincoln had done anything to Lee, he would have went Obi Wan Kenobi on his ass.

Lincoln confiscated Lee's home and took away his vote.

What did Lee do about it? Did he go Obi-Wan Kenobi on his ass?

[SpursforSix]

Most children weren't promised to be freed, then sold, knowing their own children would be subject to the same cruelties.

You keep quoting Solomon Northrup. I doubt you read the book. Regardless, there are plenty of online reports that say that he grossly exaggerated the situation.
I'm not advocating slavery but for you to quote something you probably found only on the internet as fact does not make it factual.

[RandomGuy]

Seems to me, that slavery is simply evil. Even if the bible says its ok.

If you own slaves, you are evil.

By that rather simple calculus, all slave owners were evil.

How evil... is another matter.

Given how easy it was to find first-hand accounts of torture, murder, and cruelty, it would seem that "some" slaveowners were very evil indeed. "many" would probably be a better word.

If you want to rationalize this evil, that is on you.

[Spurtacular]

Exactly. Germany would never have erected a statue of a Nazi in 2004 because almost the entire population of Germany is rightfully ashamed of that chapter in its history.

The mindset in the South was much different in the early 20th Century when many of these monuments were being built. That's what those monuments represent: the stubborn refusal of the South to accept people of color as equal citizens.

Most Germans are in a state of bliss, just like they were in the 1930's. That's how it works in that fascist swamp. As long as the beer is flowing and the gears are turning, nothing to worry about.

[Spurtacular]

Lincoln confiscated Lee's home and took away his vote.

What did Lee do about it? Did he go Obi-Wan Kenobi on his ass?

Well, seeing as how Lincoln ended up stone-cold dead, what did he need to do that supporters weren't going to do for him?

[RandomGuy]

You keep quoting Solomon Northrup. I doubt you read the book. Regardless, there are plenty of online reports that say that he grossly exaggerated the situation.
I'm not advocating slavery but for you to quote something you probably found only on the internet as fact does not make it factual.

http://www.slaverystories.org/solomon-northup/4

Book is easily available online.

"Plenty" of people online think the moon landings were faked.

Feel free to provide any evidence you have that Mr. Northrup made anything up.

If you prefer, I can provide other accounts, all of which seem to paint a fairly consistent picture of murder, torture, and rape.

Are they all making it up?

[DarrinS]

Seems to me, that slavery is simply evil. Even if the bible says its ok.

If you own slaves, you are evil.

By that rather simple calculus, all slave owners were evil.

How evil... is another matter.

Given how easy it was to find first-hand accounts of torture, murder, and cruelty, it would seem that "some" slaveowners were very evil indeed. "many" would probably be a better word.

If you want to rationalize this evil, that is on you.

Should this be taken down?

[Pavlov]

Well, seeing as how Lincoln ended up stone-cold dead, what did he need to do that supporters weren't going to do for him?

So Lee did nothing to Lincoln and begged the next President for his citizenship back.

Your glee at Lincoln's assassination is duly noted.

[Pavlov]

Should this be taken down?

That dude loved his slaves.