Robert E Lee ex

[SpursforSix]

http://www.slaverystories.org/solomon-northup/4

Book is easily available online.

"Plenty" of people online think the moon landings were faked.

Feel free to provide any evidence you have that Mr. Northrup made anything up.

If you prefer, I can provide other accounts, all of which seem to paint a fairly consistent picture of murder, torture, and rape.

Are they all making it up?

I don't know tbh. You just keep quoting the same source. Do I think that slavery happened and was atrocious? Yes. But so far, you've provided one source and assumed it happened across the board. And also assuming that the author did not have some bias in writing his account.

[RandomGuy]

You keep quoting Solomon Northrup. I doubt you read the book. Regardless, there are plenty of online reports that say that he grossly exaggerated the situation.
I'm not advocating slavery but for you to quote something you probably found only on the internet as fact does not make it factual.

Northrup was one of the better first-hand accounts, simply because he could read and write. Most couldn't, so their stories are long lost.

At some point, many such stories were collected, while the subjects were still alive, circa 1936.

https://www.loc.gov/collections/slav...is-collection/

This material all seem to dovetail.

Both contemporary accounts at the time, as well as stories told decades later.

While one might be able to discount one, or two stories, as a body it paints a very coherent picture.

[Spurtacular]

So Lee did nothing to Lincoln and begged the next President for his citizenship back.

Your glee at Lincoln's assassination is duly noted.

Yea, I didn't take the kool aid from our public indoctrination factories about Lincoln like you presumably did. In truth, I hold Lincoln in some regard. But he should have respected the Cons ution and allowed the states to secede. That millions spilled their blood for his ulterior designs, he earned his red pill.

[DarrinS]

That dude loved his slaves.

Literally

[SpursforSix]

Northrup was one of the better first-hand accounts, simply because he could read and write. Most couldn't, so their stories are long lost.

At some point, many such stories were collected, while the subjects were still alive, circa 1936.

https://www.loc.gov/collections/slav...is-collection/

This material all seem to dovetail.

Both contemporary accounts at the time, as well as stories told decades later.

While one might be able to discount one, or two stories, as a body it paints a very coherent picture.

Did you read all of those? Be honest?

[Pavlov]

Yea, I didn't take the kool aid from our public indoctrination factories about Lincoln like you presumably did. In truth, I hold Lincoln in some regard. But he should have respected the Cons ution and allowed the states to secede. That millions spilled their blood for his ulterior designs, he earned his red pill.

kool aid
some regard
respect secessin
red pill

How many tiki torches are in your possession?

[RandomGuy]

you've provided one source and assumed it happened across the board.

No, not really. I have been lazy, and simply posted multiple passages from his account, because it was easy to find, clear and concise.

Hard to transcribe thousands of pages of scanned manuscripts though.

Don't take my word for any of it. Go find it yourself. It is there.

Unless one is a stupid like ducks who can't be bothered with reading uncomfortable things, and prefers reality in a bubble.

[SpursforSix]

No, not really. I have been lazy, and simply posted multiple passages from his account, because it was easy to find, clear and concise.

Hard to transcribe thousands of pages of scanned manuscripts though.

Don't take my word for any of it. Go find it yourself. It is there.

Unless one is a stupid like ducks who can't be bothered with reading uncomfortable things, and prefers reality in a bubble.

Fair enough. Thanks for being honest.

[Spurtacular]

kool aid
some regard
respect secessin
red pill

How many tiki torches are in your possession?

Where in the Cons ution does it say that states don't have the right to secede? They even put states in the name of the country; that's how important states rights were at this nation's outset.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

the victors write history?

Pretty much.

[RandomGuy]

Did you read all of those? Be honest?

Nope. Not even close. Been thumbing through some of them though.

To be clear:

Not all slaves were tortured. Many had modestly mundane lives.

https://www.loc.gov/resource/mesn.080/?sp=15

Reading through this one at the moment. Volume 8, Brooks-Williams.

Do I have to read everything, to be able to remark on what others who study it have concluded?

(edit)

Fascinating stuff. I like first hand accounts, always compelling. Also interesting is the typos that are just struck over using the old-school manual typewriters. Marvelous machines for their time.

[Spurtacular]

So Lee did nothing to Lincoln and begged the next President for his citizenship back.

1. Like a typical liberal moron, you capitalize president as if it's a deity.
2. Go ahead and cite this begging. It is not in line with accounts of Lee's character whatsoever.

[DMC]

Where in the Cons ution does it say that states don't have the right to secede? They even put states in the name of the country; that's how important states rights were at this nation's outset.

When a state secedes, the cons ution is irrelevant.

[tlongII]

(facepalm)

You really suck at this. It is encouraging to see you try though.

Do you think slavery was a bad thing?

What is the appropriate response? Oh I think I know...


DUH!

[Pavlov]

Where in the Cons ution does it say that states don't have the right to secede? They even put states in the name of the country; that's how important states rights were at this nation's outset.

A Cons utional body -- the Supreme Court -- ruled states do not have the right to unilaterally secede.

The States' Rights argument was pretty much all about slavery anyway. Had to write slavery into the Cons ution because those dudes from the slave states were such es.

[DMC]

Yea, I didn't take the kool aid from our public indoctrination factories about Lincoln like you presumably did. In truth, I hold Lincoln in some regard. But he should have respected the Cons ution and allowed the states to secede. That millions spilled their blood for his ulterior designs, he earned his red pill.

I have a letter from Lincoln, has some blood on it. Ends with him saying Mary Todd is waiting for him.

[Spurtacular]

When a state secedes, the cons ution is irrelevant.

Okay, so states have the right to secede; at least I would say they did, then.

[Spurtacular]

A Cons utional body -- the Supreme Court -- ruled states do not have the right to unilaterally secede.

The States' Rights argument was pretty much all about slavery anyway. Had to write slavery into the Cons ution because those dudes from the slave states were such es.

The Supreme Court makes up all the time. The Cons ution was written plainly so that all of us could understand our rights. And in the grand do ent, it says that all right not expressly granted to the federal government are in fact given to the states. The states assuredly acted within the spirit and letter of the supreme law of the land. Again, Lincoln earned his red pill.

[Spurtacular]

I have a letter from Lincoln, has some blood on it. Ends with him saying Mary Todd is waiting for him.

Sounds like you're making up again.

[Pavlov]

1. Like a typical liberal moron, you capitalize president as if it's a deity.

I thought it was proper grammar when talking about the US President tbh.

2. Go ahead and cite this begging. It is not in line with accounts of Lee's character whatsoever.

Here's the oath he had to sign for the begging:



And he still didn't get his citizenship restored until 1975. Kenobi

[Spurminator]

Are you ing re ed, or do you just play one on the internet.

Nope. You?

Let me try this again for the reading-challenged.

R. Lee freed his father's slaves when he came of age. He once wrote a letter in regards to the ins ution of slavery, saying, "slavery as an ins ution, is a moral and political evil in any country."

His loyalty to the state he happened to live in was stronger than his opposition to slavery. How respectable.

[RandomGuy]

Do you think slavery was a bad thing?

What is the appropriate response? Oh I think I know...


DUH!

That puts you a leg up on ducks. Seems pretty straightforward to me too.

I never get the rationalizing people want to do about evil things.

[Pavlov]

The Supreme Court makes up all the time.

more conspiracies.

The Cons ution was written plainly so that all of us could understand our rights.

Well, so white male property owners could understand their rights.

But the Cons ution (are you deifying it with capitalization?) made the Supreme Court, so I guess the founders just wanted to be able to make up all the time.

[RandomGuy]

The Supreme Court makes up all the time. The Cons ution was written plainly so that all of us could understand our rights. And in the grand do ent, it says that all right not expressly granted to the federal government are in fact given to the states. The states assuredly acted within the spirit and letter of the supreme law of the land. Again, Lincoln earned his red pill.

So you like the Cons ution, until the Supreme Court rules on it in a way you don't like, then the Cons ution sucks because it made the Supreme Court the authority on what was Cons utional.

Got it.

(facepalm)

[Spurtacular]

I thought it was proper grammar when talking about the US President tbh.
Here's the oath he had to sign for the begging:



And he still didn't get his citizenship restored until 1975. Kenobi

Well, it's not unless you are referring to the person with his proper le in front of his name. Much like you'd capitalize the word doctor in front of someone's name and not otherwise.

That's a window dressing do ent, dude. He didn't even have to admit he did anything wrong; probably cos he would've told them to shove such a do ent up Lincoln's ass.