no thread on the alt right march in charlottesville?

[DMC]

Can't one do both? They don't seem mutually exclusive.

One could mention both.

[Pavlov]

One could mention both.

Is one being graded?

[midnightpulp]

Can someone explain to me the fascination with "heritage" among white nationalists and similar ilk, and how that specifically connects to their iden y as American citizens?

"Heritage" is such an arbitrary and flimsy idea when you actually take the time to logically examine it, and I find it funny that people kind of choose when their heritage begins (usually sometime a little bit before the birth of the grandparents and/or when their specific ethnicity started to contribute things of value to the world).

The further a German-American, for instance, goes up the family tree, he'll likely discover he was the descendant of a "sub-human" barbarian belonging to one of the Germanic tribes that emigrated into Rome not unlike hordes of Mexicans emigrating into the US. This ancestor likely mated with a Roman. So at his point, is our German-American, who is proud of his "pure-Germanic heritage," an Italian, Visigoth, or Vandal? Go back somewhat further, and that Roman ancestor was probably a descendant himself of a Greek-Roman union somewhere in his family tree. So does our German friend's "heritage" now include Greek? Go back further, and that Greek ancestor is likely the descendant of a Greek-Persian union (from when Greece conquered Persia). So does our German friend now celebrate this facet of his "heritage" by eating Hummus and practicing Zoroastrianism?

So what is "white" heritage then? Greek, Roman, Pagan, Viking, Celtic, Christian, Persian (brown people), Egyptian (influenced Persia and the Roman Empire. Also brown people).

"It's just a general pride in European culture."

And what the is that? Renaissance paintings and Mozart? "European culture" didn't start in the middle ages, nor was it ever "pure," since the ancient Greeks and Romans were heavily influenced by the Egyptians and Persians, also mating with them (brown people). Furthermore, Europe was in a culture war for a millennia or so that saw the eradication of paganism under Constantine who favored Christianity. Christianity is crucial to "white iden y," but the fun fact is that it's a Semitic religion invented by, you guessed it, brown people. Now some staunch Ethnocentric Europeans respond to that fact by embracing Odinism (and other pagan nonsense) as the "true white religion," which is ironic since pagans were basically considered sub-human degenerates, which is something modern far-right wingers rally against (degeneracy).

And how in the ever-loving does a person connect all of that to being a nationalistic American based on the premise of "white iden y?"

"Well, I just miss the good 'ol days of America, you know? Clean cut rock-and-roll music, innocently sharing a shake with your sweetheart at the diner, cruising down main in my T-Bird. Seems massive immigration changed our landscape."

Nothing inherently "white" about any of that, and rock-and-roll is a genre of music invented by brown people. Furthermore, the nativist East Coasters at the turn of the 19th century thought all you Irish and Italian "sub-humans" were changing the cultural landscape too quickly for their taste. Point being, there is no such thing as a singular American "white iden y." And then if you try to connect that iden y to your European roots, you dig up a lot of "brown people" and "sub-human" influences along the way.

Yes, I get annoyed when they fly the Mexican flag and expect you to speak Spanish, but they aren't changing the cultural landscape any more than the Irish and Italians changed the WASP landscape on the East Coast in the late-1800s.

[ElNono]

[Reck]

Can someone explain to me the fascination with "heritage" among white nationalists and similar ilk, and how that specifically connects to their iden y as American citizens?

"Heritage" is such an arbitrary and flimsy idea when you actually take the time to logically examine it, and I find it funny that people kind of choose when their heritage begins (usually sometime a little bit before the birth of the grandparents and/or when their specific ethnicity started to contribute things of value to the world).

The further a German-American, for instance, goes up the family tree, he'll likely discover he was the descendant of a "sub-human" barbarian belonging to one of the Germanic tribes that emigrated into Rome not unlike hordes of Mexicans emigrating into the US. This ancestor likely mated with a Roman. So at his point, is our German-American, who is proud of his "pure-Germanic heritage," an Italian, Visigoth, or Vandal? Go back somewhat further, and that Roman ancestor was probably a descendant himself of a Greek-Roman union somewhere in his family tree. So does our German friend's "heritage" now include Greek? Go back further, and that Greek ancestor is likely the descendant of a Greek-Persian union (from when Greece conquered Persia). So does our German friend now celebrate this facet of his "heritage" by eating Hummus and practicing Zoroastrianism?

So what is "white" heritage then? Greek, Roman, Pagan, Viking, Celtic, Christian, Persian (brown people), Egyptian (influenced Persia and the Roman Empire. Also brown people).

"It's just a general pride in European culture."

And what the is that? Renaissance paintings and Mozart? "European culture" didn't start in the middle ages, nor was it ever "pure," since the ancient Greeks and Romans were heavily influenced by the Egyptians and Persians, also mating with them (brown people). Furthermore, Europe was in a culture war for a millennia or so that saw the eradication of paganism under Constantine who favored Christianity. Christianity is crucial to "white iden y," but the fun fact is that it's a Semitic religion invented by, you guessed it, brown people. Now some staunch Ethnocentric Europeans respond to that fact by embracing Odinism (and other pagan nonsense) as the "true white religion," which is ironic since pagans were basically considered sub-human degenerates, which is something modern far-right wingers rally against (degeneracy).

And how in the ever-loving does a person connect all of that to being a nationalistic American based on the premise of "white iden y?"

"Well, I just miss the good 'ol days of America, you know? Clean cut rock-and-roll music, innocently sharing a shake with your sweetheart at the diner, cruising down main in my T-Bird. Seems massive immigration changed our landscape."

Nothing inherently "white" about any of that, and rock-and-roll is a genre of music invented by brown people. Furthermore, the nativist East Coasters at the turn of the 19th century thought all you Irish and Italian "sub-humans" were changing the cultural landscape too quickly for their taste. Point being, there is no such thing as a singular American "white iden y." And then if you try to connect that iden y to your European roots, you dig up a lot of "brown people" and "sub-human" influences along the way.

Yes, I get annoyed when they fly the Mexican flag and expect you to speak Spanish, but they aren't changing the cultural landscape any more than the Irish and Italians changed the WASP landscape on the East Coast in the late-1800s.

I have no answer to your question but I like this post. So true.

It will skull Darrins, Spurstacular and SnakeBoy for sure though. So extra for the post.

[midnightpulp]

I have no answer to your question but I like this post. So true.

It will skull Darrins, Spurstacular and SnakeBoy for sure though. So extra for the post.

Yeah, I just don't get it. The entire idea of the United States was for people to break with their "heritage," which in the old world would basically determine your status in life (i.e. kings became kings through "heritage"), and be free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness free of traditional old world social and religious constraints, which were often justified on the account of "heritage."

Many early Americans consciously broke with old world tradition to create a unique American culture (of which African-Americans and even Native Americans played a key part in). Sure, they peppered in old world influences, but they weren't interested in making the United States a carbon copy of Europe.

And to let everyone know I'm an equal opportunity offender, I hate when Mexicans do this "my heritage" , too. Quote from Moscow on the Hudson during a scene in which immigrants are sworn in as American citizens:

Today, you're no longer a hyphenated American.

Oh, and I supposed "I get it." It has to do with self-esteem, obviously. Europeans contributed a lot to the world in the sciences and arts, but just because your great-great-great-great-great grand pappy was a poor shoe cobbler working in Germany in the 18th century doesn't make you ing Gottfried Leibniz. Even if you're related to Leibniz, you ain't him. Heritage isn't earned, so it makes zero sense to be "proud of it" as if it were an accomplishment.

[monosylab1k]

Good stuff, Chump. I would wager that a lot of ST "progressives" didn't grow up poor in a culturally diverse community, as I did.

The people that been the most rude to me were rich whites, but they didn't physically attack me.

I've been assaulted on several occasions by groups of black dudes. Does that go beyond being just assholes?

You really should have tried wearing gray hoodies and learing how to battle rap.

[Pavlov]

Seriously, these people. Human garbage

Well, there's a Peabody winner right there.

[Spurtacular]

My Chris posted this earlier. Worthy of a repost.

[Spurtacular]

Well, there's a Peabody winner right there.

Who's virtue signaling now.

[Pavlov]

Who's virtue signaling now.

Huh? Just a prediction. It's very well done. What is your current frontrunner for a Peabody? That whiny Canadian "Rebel"?

[Spurtacular]

Huh? Just a prediction. It's very well done. What is your current frontrunner for a Peabody? That whiny Canadian "Rebel"?

Isn't it funny how "the resistance" is sanitized and the Unite The Right has any controversial remark amplified? I don't have a frontrunner. I don't give a about the liberal reach around awards.

[Pavlov]

Isn't it funny how "the resistance" is sanitized and the Unite The Right has any controversial remark amplified?

Sanitized how? Unite the Right was there to amplify its message, so I don't get your whining about that.

I don't have a frontrunner. I don't give a about the liberal reach around awards.

If Rebel Media is your idea of repost-worthy media, your s aren't probably worth giving anyway.

[Killakobe81]

Rebel Media ...lol ...

[Trill Clinton]

So Darrin, grew up getting his ass kicked his entire life by blacks. I guess his talking points make sense. On behalf of the blacks, I'd like to apologize for the trauma you went through, doggie. You didn't deserve that.

[pgardn]

My Chris posted this earlier. Worthy of a repost.

Rebel Media...

Great stuff.
Jesus...help us.

[RD2191]

My Chris posted this earlier. Worthy of a repost.

Who the cares what this dumb white has to say? When she actually does something to protect her country then her opinion might matter.

[RD2191]

Protect muh borders! From what? When was the last time a bean committed a terrorist act on American soil?

[DarrinS]

Protect muh borders! From what? When was the last time a bean committed a terrorist act on American soil?

Keep the workers, but deport the criminals and gang bangers, tbh.

[RD2191]

Keep the workers, but deport the criminals and gang bangers, tbh.

But how many of them are actually illegal? TBH. Most Hispanic gang bangers are American born. That's what some people that call for deportation don't understand. Brown person commits a crime, deport him!

[RD2191]

I agree that if they're illegal and commit crimes they should gtfo.

[pgardn]

Canadians worried about the motherland. Poor Apoplectic... Now the white Europeans come for him in the form of female sirens ready to dash him against a slab of back bacon.

Winter is coming, I'm sure there will be plenty of snow drifts to hide in.

The palpable fear on both sides of the political spectrum is noted. Take single incidents that illustrate your particular view, bloat them, and scare yourself and others. It's all the rage.

[Splits]

So Darrin, grew up getting his ass kicked his entire life by blacks. I guess his talking points make sense. On behalf of the blacks, I'd like to apologize for the trauma you went through, doggie. You didn't deserve that.

[ducks]

I agree that if they're illegal and commit crimes they should gtfo.

they commited a crime overstaying visa or coming in illegally and not leaving

[Reck]

But how many of them are actually illegal? TBH. Most Hispanic gang bangers are American born. That's what some people that call for deportation don't understand. Brown person commits a crime, deport him!

True.

Most of the MS 13 gangbangers are born here. Where are you going to send them? They're already home.

Most illegals come here to bust their asses working for chump change. It's too bad they get lumped in with hardened, brutal criminals like MS-13 and the like.